Kris for discussion

naga82 · 27th October 2016, 04:37 AM

Hi all nice to be here. Please my i have your comments good or bad on this sword. I found it in java. I just guessed dutch influenced blade but i am a novice collector.

Thanks

Sajen · 27th October 2016, 05:05 AM

It's an old Javanese pedang IMVHO. Not a keris or kris. BTW, welcome to the forum.

See for a similar blade here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...avanese+pedang

Sajen · 27th October 2016, 04:33 PM

All what I can say about your sword is said already from Alan G. Maisey in post #15 in the above given thread with some exceptions. The dress of your blade is older, maybe from the turn of the centuries until early 20th century but for sure not the first dress.

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 27th October 2016, 06:27 PM

I agree with Sajen completely.

A. G. Maisey · 27th October 2016, 10:14 PM

Detlef, I agree that this is a pretty nice pedang, I also agree that the scabbard is much more recent than the blade, but the brass of the hilt is original.

The grip itself may or may not be original, and it was certainly never stained green originally.

This pedang should become a restoration project, the grip should be replaced with well fitted wood, the scabbard should be replaced with a properly sewn leather one. In actual use the scabbards of these old pedangs seemed to be nearly always leather. The originals got lost, or decayed, and they were replaced with wood, which is probably superior as a long term solution when the weapon is not actually being used. However, in this case I'd probably opt for leather, because we still have the original brass hilt, and that is something that is pretty scarce. This pedang could be brought back to what it was when it was first made.

Sajen · 27th October 2016, 10:43 PM

Hello Alan,

I am not sure how the original scabbards are worked, I've handled once a similar pedang with a scabbard fragment, it was wood covered with leather but have seen also some with pure leather fragments.

Any suggestions from you? And which wood would you personally prefer as grip?

Best regards,
Detlef

27th October 2016, 05:05 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,416	It's an old Javanese pedang IMVHO. Not a keris or kris. BTW, welcome to the forum. See for a similar blade here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...avanese+pedang Last edited by Sajen; 27th October 2016 at 05:26 AM. Reason: Add link!

27th October 2016, 04:33 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,416	All what I can say about your sword is said already from Alan G. Maisey in post #15 in the above given thread with some exceptions. The dress of your blade is older, maybe from the turn of the centuries until early 20th century but for sure not the first dress. Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 27th October 2016 at 09:08 PM.

27th October 2016, 04:37 AM	#1
naga82 Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 8	Kris for discussion Hi all nice to be here. Please my i have your comments good or bad on this sword. I found it in java. I just guessed dutch influenced blade but i am a novice collector. Thanks Attached Images

27th October 2016, 06:27 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I agree with Sajen completely.

27th October 2016, 10:14 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Detlef, I agree that this is a pretty nice pedang, I also agree that the scabbard is much more recent than the blade, but the brass of the hilt is original. The grip itself may or may not be original, and it was certainly never stained green originally. This pedang should become a restoration project, the grip should be replaced with well fitted wood, the scabbard should be replaced with a properly sewn leather one. In actual use the scabbards of these old pedangs seemed to be nearly always leather. The originals got lost, or decayed, and they were replaced with wood, which is probably superior as a long term solution when the weapon is not actually being used. However, in this case I'd probably opt for leather, because we still have the original brass hilt, and that is something that is pretty scarce. This pedang could be brought back to what it was when it was first made.

27th October 2016, 10:43 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,416	Hello Alan, I am not sure how the original scabbards are worked, I've handled once a similar pedang with a scabbard fragment, it was wood covered with leather but have seen also some with pure leather fragments. Any suggestions from you? And which wood would you personally prefer as grip? Best regards, Detlef