Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

cornelistromp · 14th January 2012, 09:28 AM

Hi Michael,

This is the dagger belonging together with the sheath.
The model of the sheath looks primarily 16th century, but when I see it together with the dagger, I think a 19th century reproduction can not be excluded.

best,

cornelistromp · 14th January 2012, 03:34 PM

Hi Michael,

I just remember where I have seen that similar "dot in line" design from my scabbard, it was on one of the pommels you placed from the Luzern Museum and on a 1/2 sword.

best,

Matchlock · 14th January 2012, 04:51 PM

Exactly, Jasper,

These are some of the decisive Early Renaissance elements!

And you are right, of course: that dagger is 19th c. fantasy.

Best,
Michael

fernando · 14th January 2012, 05:13 PM

Oh, i wish i could find a genuine hilt for my katzbalger

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14555

fernando · 14th January 2012, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi 'Nando,

As I said: take off the outcurved sides of the wood with a raw rasp to smoothen them, then touch them with glue and apply a rough cord binding. You may then stain the hemp binding brown with wood stain. All that hasn't to be done though to make your Katzbalger look good and authentic. It already does, at least to me.

Did you soak the iron parts in olive oil? Smoothen them just lightly with 600 grain paper and oil them!!! You will be overwhelmed!!!!

Best,
Michael

You are right, i have posted my (hilt) question on the wrong thread, Michl

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Both my query and your reply are now in the right place ... including your lovely pictures

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fernando · 14th January 2012, 05:42 PM

Thanks for your advice, Michl. Since you told me this in the first place i tuned the grip wood a little bit; the results are not so famous. I didn't apply the cord binding and i am not sure i would do a decent work.
But what i find less comfortable, more than the handle, is the iron hilt; it looks clumsy, with that large and non harmonious figure 8 and only twisted in one of the arms

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Concerning the blade, i rubbed it with soap soaked Arbo and after applied the olive oil. It got a relatively brighter and much better look, no doubt.

cornelistromp · 15th January 2012, 09:46 AM

Hi Michael and Hi Fernando,

beautiful landsknechts saber what you have posted, a while ago, a similar type has been offered on ebay.
These swords date back to around 1550, at least after 1549 as the first datable illustration with this inner guard of norman type 17 is in the portrait of William Oberst Froehlich by Hans Asper of Zurich dated 1549.

best,

@ Fernando,
I also think that if you carefully clean your katzbalger, not overclean(= a kill) of course, you do not believe what you see.

14th January 2012, 09:28 AM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Michael, This is the dagger belonging together with the sheath. The model of the sheath looks primarily 16th century, but when I see it together with the dagger, I think a 19th century reproduction can not be excluded. best, Attached Images

14th January 2012, 03:34 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Michael, I just remember where I have seen that similar "dot in line" design from my scabbard, it was on one of the pommels you placed from the Luzern Museum and on a 1/2 sword. best, Attached Images

15th January 2012, 09:46 AM	#7
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Michael and Hi Fernando, beautiful landsknechts saber what you have posted, a while ago, a similar type has been offered on ebay. These swords date back to around 1550, at least after 1549 as the first datable illustration with this inner guard of norman type 17 is in the portrait of William Oberst Froehlich by Hans Asper of Zurich dated 1549. best, @ Fernando, I also think that if you carefully clean your katzbalger, not overclean(= a kill) of course, you do not believe what you see. Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 15th January 2012 at 10:07 AM.

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14th January 2012, 04:51 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Exactly, Jasper, These are some of the decisive Early Renaissance elements! And you are right, of course: that dagger is 19th c. fantasy. Best, Michael

14th January 2012, 05:13 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Oh, i wish i could find a genuine hilt for my katzbalger http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14555

14th January 2012, 05:42 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks for your advice, Michl. Since you told me this in the first place i tuned the grip wood a little bit; the results are not so famous. I didn't apply the cord binding and i am not sure i would do a decent work. But what i find less comfortable, more than the handle, is the iron hilt; it looks clumsy, with that large and non harmonious figure 8 and only twisted in one of the arms . Concerning the blade, i rubbed it with soap soaked Arbo and after applied the olive oil. It got a relatively brighter and much better look, no doubt.