Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

Matchlock · 8th January 2012, 02:40 PM

I thought that was exactly what I had been doing here all of the time, and I also gave the respective dates and references ...

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 8th January 2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

I thought that was exactly what I had been doing here all of the time, and I also gave the respective dates and references ...

Best,
Michael

Hi Michael,

Of course this thread is a great base for research, probably the best I know.
I meant to classify the different types of katzbalger pommel caps and grips!

best,
Jasper

Matchlock · 8th January 2012, 04:34 PM

Hi Jasper,

I know what you meant but again, that's what I did giving dates and pointing ot the form of the pommel and hilt.
The types you posted now have Ottheinrich type fluted and rounded pommels and hilts and can be safely attributed to the early 1530's. The lower to with their sideguards are transition types to usual swords (Katzbalgerdegen).

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 8th January 2012, 07:31 PM

Hi Michael,

For me it is not so much about the dating. most of it is made in less than 3/4 of a century. more interesting is to identify and indicate the trends in those hilt types.

best,

Matchlock · 9th January 2012, 05:34 PM

I also did my best to illustrate that evolution as well.

m

cornelistromp · 9th January 2012, 07:18 PM

There are many valuable illustrations on the 10 pages on which many different types can been seen . however a short and concise classification or typology overview I have not found.I will try to make one if I find some time.

best,

Matchlock · 10th January 2012, 06:28 PM

That would be great indeed!

m

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8th January 2012, 04:34 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jasper, I know what you meant but again, that's what I did giving dates and pointing ot the form of the pommel and hilt. The types you posted now have Ottheinrich type fluted and rounded pommels and hilts and can be safely attributed to the early 1530's. The lower to with their sideguards are transition types to usual swords (Katzbalgerdegen). Best, Michael

8th January 2012, 07:31 PM	#4
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Michael, For me it is not so much about the dating. most of it is made in less than 3/4 of a century. more interesting is to identify and indicate the trends in those hilt types. best,

9th January 2012, 05:34 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	I also did my best to illustrate that evolution as well. m

9th January 2012, 07:18 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	There are many valuable illustrations on the 10 pages on which many different types can been seen . however a short and concise classification or typology overview I have not found.I will try to make one if I find some time. best,

10th January 2012, 06:28 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	That would be great indeed! m