Islamic Text Found in a swordhandle

Dajak · 8th March 2006, 06:25 AM

Hi John a portugese influence or dutch would not only on the scabbard but also on the sword
the dutch klewang was made after the dutch soldiers have to get in touch with the pedeuang .

A very nice book is Marchaussee in Atjeh to read about the war overthere

Dutch scabbards (From that period) are mostly from metal not from leather and wood like some Indian weapons

The real war starting in atjeh is probably the that they killed dutch people in september 1811 and gouverment overthere
The Dutch used this as an excuse to send an expedition to Palembang ( Raffles luitenatant-gouveneur van Java bij this time April 1812)
to get Banka in his hands

In 19 aug 1816 the british Flag was changed to the Dutch and we get on may
22 1819 Padang in our hands

The expediton against Palembang did start in 1821

Raja Muda · 9th March 2006, 10:05 AM

Hi Dajak,

Thanks for the enlarged pictures of the tangkal azimat. I believe it contains snatches from Quranic verses. But what I find most interesting is the second piece from the top, as the inscription below the two stars are the names of the Seven Sleepers, whom I believe figures in the Quranic chapter Surah Al-Kahfi, as well as Byzantinian Christian traditions.

As the story goes, they were a group of young men who were persecuted for their early Christian? beliefs and escaped to a cave. They fell asleep and awoke a few hundred years later, though they thought they've just spent a night in the cave. One of the members went to the nearest town to purchase food and amazed the locals since the money he carried was stamped with the face of a long dead monarch, who persecuted the monotheist believers a few hundred years ago.

I'm not sure what the magical/spiritual significance the story holds for the sword. Maybe someone can make the connections.

Dajak · 9th March 2006, 11:39 AM

Hi Raja Muda

Thanks for this interesting information

I have a Dutch Translation with it but not al is translated

and there must be 2 persons have made this Talis man

I am looking for the meaning for the not arabic writing on it

It is translated qur ang parts from J.H. Kramers De Koran Amsterdam 1956

I like to know what is between the stars

Here a some they can t trans late

Dajak · 9th March 2006, 11:43 AM

There are also 3 dates on the silver bands 1690

1739

1752

Dajak · 10th March 2006, 01:12 PM

Hi Raj Muda kan you read those strange words

Dajak · 12th March 2006, 07:09 PM

I found out that this Pedeuang did belong to a panglima

Does anyone knows where pics from Atjeh 1650 can be found

RhysMichael · 12th March 2006, 08:29 PM

I do not have any from that early. If you have any contacts there your best bet might be the Museum of Ethnography in Leiden, the Netherlands, now “RMV Leiden”. I am sure they have paintings/ drawings from that time period. Actual pictures of course would not be available ( The first known successful picture was produced in June/July 1827 by Niépce, using material that hardened on exposure to light. This picture required an exposure of eight hours. Though there is rumor of experiments with it as far back as da Vinci) Also any information you can share on the provenance of this sword would be helpful. I knew peudeueng went back as far as the 17th century but I thought the hulu meu apet was a later form. It seems now this form of the sword may be older than I thought.

Thanks

RhysMichael · 20th March 2006, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

I found out that this Pedeuang did belong to a panglima

Does anyone knows where pics from Atjeh 1650 can be found

Not Aceh pictures but in trying to find earlier information on this sword I did find more battle flags

Battle flags used by Acehnese troops, seized by the Dutch in 1540 in battle at Barus (Tapanuli, North Sumatra) which at that time was under the authority of Aceh. The flag contains a pcture of Zulfakar (the woard of syidina Ali) and a prayer to arouse the fighting spirit. Size : 130 x 270 cm (top)

They support your information about this sword being an older form

9th March 2006, 10:05 AM	#2
Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Contents of Azimat Hi Dajak, Thanks for the enlarged pictures of the tangkal azimat. I believe it contains snatches from Quranic verses. But what I find most interesting is the second piece from the top, as the inscription below the two stars are the names of the Seven Sleepers, whom I believe figures in the Quranic chapter Surah Al-Kahfi, as well as Byzantinian Christian traditions. As the story goes, they were a group of young men who were persecuted for their early Christian? beliefs and escaped to a cave. They fell asleep and awoke a few hundred years later, though they thought they've just spent a night in the cave. One of the members went to the nearest town to purchase food and amazed the locals since the money he carried was stamped with the face of a long dead monarch, who persecuted the monotheist believers a few hundred years ago. I'm not sure what the magical/spiritual significance the story holds for the sword. Maybe someone can make the connections.

9th March 2006, 11:39 AM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Raja Muda Thanks for this interesting information I have a Dutch Translation with it but not al is translated and there must be 2 persons have made this Talis man I am looking for the meaning for the not arabic writing on it It is translated qur ang parts from J.H. Kramers De Koran Amsterdam 1956 I like to know what is between the stars Here a some they can t trans late Last edited by Dajak; 9th March 2006 at 11:57 AM.

9th March 2006, 11:43 AM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	There are also 3 dates on the silver bands 1690 1739 1752 Attached Images

12th March 2006, 08:29 PM	#7
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	I do not have any from that early. If you have any contacts there your best bet might be the Museum of Ethnography in Leiden, the Netherlands, now “RMV Leiden”. I am sure they have paintings/ drawings from that time period. Actual pictures of course would not be available ( The first known successful picture was produced in June/July 1827 by Niépce, using material that hardened on exposure to light. This picture required an exposure of eight hours. Though there is rumor of experiments with it as far back as da Vinci) Also any information you can share on the provenance of this sword would be helpful. I knew peudeueng went back as far as the 17th century but I thought the hulu meu apet was a later form. It seems now this form of the sword may be older than I thought. Thanks Last edited by RhysMichael; 12th March 2006 at 10:05 PM.

8th March 2006, 06:25 AM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi John a portugese influence or dutch would not only on the scabbard but also on the sword the dutch klewang was made after the dutch soldiers have to get in touch with the pedeuang . A very nice book is Marchaussee in Atjeh to read about the war overthere Dutch scabbards (From that period) are mostly from metal not from leather and wood like some Indian weapons The real war starting in atjeh is probably the that they killed dutch people in september 1811 and gouverment overthere The Dutch used this as an excuse to send an expedition to Palembang ( Raffles luitenatant-gouveneur van Java bij this time April 1812) to get Banka in his hands In 19 aug 1816 the british Flag was changed to the Dutch and we get on may 22 1819 Padang in our hands The expediton against Palembang did start in 1821

10th March 2006, 01:12 PM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Raj Muda kan you read those strange words

12th March 2006, 07:09 PM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	I found out that this Pedeuang did belong to a panglima Does anyone knows where pics from Atjeh 1650 can be found