Big score! (or how I blew a months wages...) :(

[Maurice]

Hi Gene,

These double Javanese goloks are also still made today, not for tourists, but mostly for silat practitioners.
I think this combination is also one of those pieces.
But they're made deadly sharp most of the time, and ready for use, though not antique....
I could be wrong, but I've seen these kinds several times come by here, used in Silat classes for practice....

Kind Regards,
Maurice

[Amuk Murugul]

Hullo everybody,

Nice score with the golok, Gene! To be strictly correct, it is a Golok Ganda (double), as opposed to a Golok Kembar (twin). Thus, I would call it a Golok Djanoer Ganda.
At a glance, it looks like a recently-made one from H. Aas of Tjibatoe.

Best,

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo everybody,

Nice score with the golok, Gene! To be strictly correct, it is a Golok Ganda (double), as opposed to a Golok Kembar (twin). Thus, I would call it a Golok Djanoer Ganda.
At a glance, it looks like a recently-made one from H. Aas of Tjibatoe.

Best,

Thats interesting, are they all recent? As I say, these 'seem' to have some age, and are supposed to have....
Are they all recent?

Best
gene

[Henk]

Gene,

Very nice. A double golok from West Java. As said still made until today.
My teacher brought an almost identical one for me, special made on the length of my arm to use it in the right way. As mentioned for practising Pencak Silat. Take a look here and watch the whole film. Especially the second part is very nice to see the teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0smgbJsBd0A
This one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo0DDdTd-i0 shows you the golok laying on the ground. At the end of the film you see the emblem with the golok in it.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Henk

Gene,

Very nice. A double golok from West Java. As said still made until today.
My teacher brought an almost identical one for me, special made on the length of my arm to use it in the right way. As mentioned for practising Pencak Silat. Take a look here and watch the whole film. Especially the second part is very nice to see the teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0smgbJsBd0A
This one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo0DDdTd-i0 shows you the golok laying on the ground. At the end of the film you see the emblem with the golok in it.

Excellent, thanks Henk.
The young lad in yellow at the beginning of the second film is amazing! I'd never have had such dedication at such a young age.
I see what you mean about the Goloks.
My pair were allegedly collected prior to the early 50s, do you think thats possible?

Have you seen this girl with twing Goloks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaLYXZ4wAZY

Thanks
Gene

[Amuk Murugul]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Thats interesting, are they all recent? As I say, these 'seem' to have some age, and are supposed to have....
Are they all recent?

Best
gene

Hi Gene,
Sorry for being too vague. By 'recent', I meant within my lifetime. In this case, I would say, around the 3rd-quarter of the 20thC. I'd even stretch my neck out and lean more towards the final quarter. Aas is younger than me and he still produces that type of handle.

Best,

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hi Gene,
Sorry for being too vague. By 'recent', I meant within my lifetime. In this case, I would say, around the 3rd-quarter of the 20thC. I'd even stretch my neck out and lean more towards the final quarter. Aas is younger than me and he still produces that type of handle.

Best,

LOL, I prefered vague to 3rd/4th quarter 20thC!
As I said my pair were allegedly collected around 60 years ago, do you think that's impossible?

Best
Gene

[Amuk Murugul]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

LOL, I prefered vague to 3rd/4th quarter 20thC!
As I said my pair were allegedly collected around 60 years ago, do you think that's impossible?

Best
Gene

Hullo Gene (moan...)

I've just had a second look....
OF COURSE it's possible...
It's difficult to be definite because some things change more slowly than others.
Analyzing it logically:
Aluminium wasn't available for general use until 1930s.
Early general use was from scrap metal.
In indo Al wasn't popular until the 1950s.
Here is where I may be wrong:
Three-pinned scales were generally used until the early 1970s, when it was replaced by two-pinned scales.
But, I have never seen that style of handle before H. Aas made them.

Three salient points:
Unusual for TWO hanging rings on the collar and no belt-clasp.
Unusual to cap the pommel.
Unusual crimping(?) pattern on panel above collar.

Conclusion:
It may have been made by his predecessor.
It may have been a custom order.

Best,

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

Hullo Gene (moan...)

I've just had a second look....
OF COURSE it's possible...
It's difficult to be definite because some things change more slowly than than others.
Analyzing it logically:
Aluminium wasn't available for general use until 1930s.
Early general use was from scrap metal.
In indo Al wasn't popular until the 1950s.
Here is where I may be wrong:
Three-pinned scales were generally used until the early 1970s, when it was replaced by two-pinned scales.
But, I have never seen that style of handle before H. Aas made them.

Three salient points:
Unusual for TWO hanging rings on the collar and no belt-clasp.
Unusual to cap the pommel.
Unusual crimping(?) pattern on panel above collar.

Conclusion:
It may have been made by his predecessor.
It may have been a custom order.

Best,

Thank you my friend,
Please know that I am hugely greatful for your continued help in these matters and your excellent (rather English I might say) humour too

Best
Gene

P.S.
I'll leave you in peace now (for a while )

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Gene,

These double Javanese goloks are also still made today, not for tourists, but mostly for silat practitioners.
I think this combination is also one of those pieces.
But they're made deadly sharp most of the time, and ready for use, though not antique....
I could be wrong, but I've seen these kinds several times come by here, used in Silat classes for practice....

Kind Regards,
Maurice

Hi Maurice,

Thanks for the info.
I agree it's not antique. Aluminium where you'd hope for silver
But some signs of age, oxidisation of brass and shrinkage of the wood slightly.
Allegedly the collection it came from stopped 'growing' some time ago, so hopefully at least vintage
These double weapons are interesting aren't they?

Best
Gene

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Maurice,

Thanks for the info.
I agree it's not antique. Aluminium where you'd hope for silver
But some signs of age, oxidisation of brass and shrinkage of the wood slightly.
Allegedly the collection it came from stopped 'growing' some time ago, so hopefully at least vintage
These double weapons are interesting aren't they?

Best
Gene

Hi Gene,

Are it signs of age or signs of use? ;-)

I myself like these double blades in one scabbard a lot, as a martial art practitioner... (though not as explosive and fanatical I used to be one time in my better days).

Best wishes,
Maurice

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Gene,

Are it signs of age or signs of use? ;-)

I myself like these double blades in one scabbard a lot, as a martial art practitioner... (though not as explosive and fanatical I used to be one time in my better days).

Best wishes,
Maurice

Hi Maurice,

I'd say that it's some signs of age, not use. No edge knicks.
I could be wrong though, it has happened before

I'd like to see you swinging these about Maurice! They are well made things, feel fast and dangerous, I bet they'd lend themselves to a great display!

Best
Gene