Kindjal (translation needs)

Hara_morin · 8th March 2011, 04:53 PM

please help me with this nice blade

Atlantia · 8th March 2011, 05:22 PM

It Looks like there may be a date (with other characters either end and above) I see 1347 which is 1928 gregorian if it is a date.

Norman McCormick · 8th March 2011, 06:20 PM

Hi Guys,
My guess is 1327 which would be 1909 but there is a character after what might be a date and I'm not sure as to the meaning.
Regards,
Norman.

Atlantia · 8th March 2011, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Guys,
My guess is 1327 which would be 1909 but there is a character after what might be a date and I'm not sure as to the meaning.
Regards,
Norman.

LOL, at least we're both seeing it as a date

Looks like a persian/farsi '4' to me, but the character at the end is a mystery!

Best
Gene

Norman McCormick · 8th March 2011, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

LOL, at least we're both seeing it as a date

Looks like a persian/farsi '4' to me, but the character at the end is a mystery!

Best
Gene

Hi Gene,
Could be! could be!

Regards,
Norman.

Hara_morin · 13th March 2011, 06:12 PM

Gene, Norman, thanks a lot! there is only year? no makers name?

Atlantia · 13th March 2011, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hara_morin

Gene, Norman, thanks a lot! there is only year? no makers name?

I only have a chance with dates. I can try and get the rest translated, but I will have to share your photos if thats OK?

Hara_morin · 13th March 2011, 07:10 PM

no problem, will be fine!

Atlantia · 13th March 2011, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hara_morin

no problem, will be fine!

OK, I've done that.
I'll let you know as soon as (and if) I get a reply.
Best
Gene

Hara_morin · 15th March 2011, 07:53 AM

it seems only readable date on this kindjal

Atlantia · 15th March 2011, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hara_morin

it seems only readable date on this kindjal

I'm suprised that nobody has translated it yet. Could it be that the other characters are in a more obscure language.

Have a look at Georgian and see if you can see any similarities:

A.alnakkas · 15th March 2011, 07:57 PM

hmm these inscriptions on Kindjals are really hard to read. All i can read is the first word (right to left) and it is عمل Amal which means : work of. Even so it doesnt make full sense because its either damaged or means something else entirely since there is a space between the letter Ma and la which could be just loss to the inscription.

The 2nd word which might be a name i find it very hard to read.

The date could be 1337 if the 3rd number (left to right) has inscription loss.

Atlantia · 16th March 2011, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

hmm these inscriptions on Kindjals are really hard to read. All i can read is the first word (right to left) and it is عمل Amal which means : work of. Even so it doesnt make full sense because its either damaged or means something else entirely since there is a space between the letter Ma and la which could be just loss to the inscription.

The 2nd word which might be a name i find it very hard to read.

The date could be 1337 if the 3rd number (left to right) has inscription loss.

Well thats three possibilities for the date now: 1327, 1337, 1347.

Do you think the language IS arabic?

Dom · 16th March 2011, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

hmm these inscriptions on Kindjals are really hard to read. All i can read is the first word (right to left) and it is عمل Amal which means : work of. Even so it doesnt make full sense because its either damaged or means something else entirely since there is a space between the letter Ma and la which could be just loss to the inscription.

The 2nd word which might be a name i find it very hard to read.

The date could be 1337 if the 3rd number (left to right) has inscription loss.

Hi Lotfi
you are nearly

our point of view could be:
AMAL MAGUIB either MADE BY MAGUIB
the date is clear 1327 no doubt ...

à +

Dom

Hara_morin · 17th March 2011, 12:19 PM

many thanks!

Atlantia · 18th March 2011, 11:43 PM

yay! Dom to the rescue

A.alnakkas · 21st March 2011, 08:43 PM

Dont want to be the party pooper but i really doubt its Maguib.

The word is formed from the following letters : Meem Jeem ba'a ba'a (maybe Ha'a at the end)

The closest readable word i can get from this is Mujabab and it makes no sense to me.

Atlantia · 21st March 2011, 08:54 PM

Had a reply 'elsewhere' to the request from back a ways....

Michael came up with this:
"It reads "work of Mohamed something" and the date of 1327 which is 1948"

A.alnakkas · 21st March 2011, 09:23 PM

No way its Mohammed.

Mohammed in arabic = محمد

This word is something like مجببة

Norman McCormick · 21st March 2011, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Had a reply 'elsewhere' to the request from back a ways....

Michael came up with this:
"It reads "work of Mohamed something" and the date of 1327 which is 1948"

Hi,
1327 A.H. = 1909 A.D. [1327 X 0.97 + 622 = 1909 ]
Regards,
Norman.

Atlantia · 21st March 2011, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi,
1327 A.H. = 1909 A.D. [1327 X 0.97 + 622 = 1909 ]
Regards,
Norman.

LOL, yeah I know.

Atlantia · 17th April 2011, 06:43 AM

Ms Rahill over at SFI has joined the fray.
She sees the date as 1347 (as I do)
LOL, just to confuse the issue!

katana · 18th April 2011, 05:21 PM

Hi Dom

,
could you please empty your 'Private Messages' ....it is full and I cannot PM you, thank you.

Sorry Gentlemen for jumping into the thread....but I needed to contact Dom....apologies

Kind Regards David

Dom · 18th April 2011, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Ms Rahill over at SFI has joined the fray.
She sees the date as 1347 (as I do)
LOL, just to confuse the issue!

it's me ... who am confused

I'm bad

(because I have been able to determine that it was written ... in FARSI)

the proof (digit in Farsi)
۰ ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹ ۱۰
0...1...2...3...4.....5...6...7...8...9...10

à +

Dom

Atlantia · 19th April 2011, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

it's me ... who am confused

I'm bad

(because I have been able to determine that it was written ... in FARSI)

the proof (digit in Farsi)
۰ ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹ ۱۰
0...1...2...3...4.....5...6...7...8...9...10

à +

Dom

LOL, thats what I initially thought (see post #4)

Dom · 19th April 2011, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

LOL, thats what I initially thought (see post #4)

yeap ... just affirmation without bring argument

(yes, I know I'm in bad faith ...)

à +

Dom

Atlantia · 19th April 2011, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

yeap ... just affirmation without bring argument

(yes, I know I'm in bad faith ...)

à +

Dom

Of course you're not bad Dom!
You are lovely!

For me, it's just nice to be right for a change

8th March 2011, 04:53 PM	#1
Hara_morin Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 53	Kindjal (translation needs) please help me with this nice blade Attached Images

8th March 2011, 05:22 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	It Looks like there may be a date (with other characters either end and above) I see 1347 which is 1928 gregorian if it is a date. Last edited by Atlantia; 8th March 2011 at 06:10 PM.

15th March 2011, 07:53 AM	#10
Hara_morin Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 53	it seems only readable date on this kindjal Last edited by Hara_morin; 15th March 2011 at 08:04 AM.

8th March 2011, 06:20 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,577	Hi Guys, My guess is 1327 which would be 1909 but there is a character after what might be a date and I'm not sure as to the meaning. Regards, Norman.

13th March 2011, 06:12 PM	#6
Hara_morin Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 53	Gene, Norman, thanks a lot! there is only year? no makers name?

13th March 2011, 07:10 PM	#8
Hara_morin Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 53	no problem, will be fine!

15th March 2011, 07:57 PM	#12
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,339	hmm these inscriptions on Kindjals are really hard to read. All i can read is the first word (right to left) and it is عمل Amal which means : work of. Even so it doesnt make full sense because its either damaged or means something else entirely since there is a space between the letter Ma and la which could be just loss to the inscription. The 2nd word which might be a name i find it very hard to read. The date could be 1337 if the 3rd number (left to right) has inscription loss.

17th March 2011, 12:19 PM	#15
Hara_morin Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 53	many thanks!

18th March 2011, 11:43 PM	#16
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	yay! Dom to the rescue

21st March 2011, 08:43 PM	#17
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,339	Dont want to be the party pooper but i really doubt its Maguib. The word is formed from the following letters : Meem Jeem ba'a ba'a (maybe Ha'a at the end) The closest readable word i can get from this is Mujabab and it makes no sense to me.

21st March 2011, 08:54 PM	#18
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Had a reply 'elsewhere' to the request from back a ways.... Michael came up with this: "It reads "work of Mohamed something" and the date of 1327 which is 1948"

21st March 2011, 09:23 PM	#19
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,339	No way its Mohammed. Mohammed in arabic = محمد This word is something like مجببة

17th April 2011, 06:43 AM	#22
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Ms Rahill over at SFI has joined the fray. She sees the date as 1347 (as I do) LOL, just to confuse the issue!

18th April 2011, 05:21 PM	#23
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Dom , could you please empty your 'Private Messages' ....it is full and I cannot PM you, thank you. Sorry Gentlemen for jumping into the thread....but I needed to contact Dom....apologies Kind Regards David