Coat of arms + date on pendok

asomotif · 5th June 2009, 08:24 PM

Sometimes the pendok is decorated on the back side.

"The invincible krises 2" has a few examples, but all with javanese dates.

How serious can a western date be taken ?
This example reads 25.9.1867
Any comments / ideas / advise ?

Thanks and best regards,
Willem

David · 5th June 2009, 08:53 PM

That's a good question Willem. I would think that if the keris were meant for indigenous usage that a western date like this might be suspect, but if it were a presentation piece to a westerner it might make more sense.

asomotif · 5th June 2009, 09:59 PM

Yes, presentation piece for a foreigner would not be a bad idea.

But maybe this "coat of arms" rings a bell with someone on the forum ?

ganjawulung · 5th June 2009, 10:09 PM

IMHO, it is a kind of stamp, or sign that this keris with the pendhok is not a property of certain person or administration authority.

It has been discussed in this forum before. Please see this:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=stamp

GANJAWULUNG

asomotif · 5th June 2009, 11:50 PM

Dear Ganjawalung,

Thanks for the link to the thread on this forum.
Inreresting information.

But in this case, why the european date ?
And the decoration is more decorated than the examples in the other thread.
This one has the 2 leave shapes on the side, but also some kind of crown and something on top of that.

Couldn't that suggest some specific authority ?

Rick · 6th June 2009, 02:35 AM

Looks a bit like the Mataram crest without the symbols .

5th June 2009, 08:24 PM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,237	Coat of arms + date on pendok Sometimes the pendok is decorated on the back side. "The invincible krises 2" has a few examples, but all with javanese dates. How serious can a western date be taken ? This example reads 25.9.1867 Any comments / ideas / advise ? Thanks and best regards, Willem Attached Images

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ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	STAMP IMHO, it is a kind of stamp, or sign that this keris with the pendhok is not a property of certain person or administration authority. It has been discussed in this forum before. Please see this: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=stamp GANJAWULUNG

5th June 2009, 11:50 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,237	Dear Ganjawalung, Thanks for the link to the thread on this forum. Inreresting information. But in this case, why the european date ? And the decoration is more decorated than the examples in the other thread. This one has the 2 leave shapes on the side, but also some kind of crown and something on top of that. Couldn't that suggest some specific authority ? Last edited by asomotif; 6th June 2009 at 12:14 AM.

5th June 2009, 08:53 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	That's a good question Willem. I would think that if the keris were meant for indigenous usage that a western date like this might be suspect, but if it were a presentation piece to a westerner it might make more sense.

5th June 2009, 09:59 PM	#3
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,237	Yes, presentation piece for a foreigner would not be a bad idea. But maybe this "coat of arms" rings a bell with someone on the forum ?

6th June 2009, 02:35 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Looks a bit like the Mataram crest without the symbols .