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			This is another pair I was curious to know more about. One has a highly stylized pamor and the other is rather smaller and not so flashy.
		 
		
		
		
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			Both blades exhibit dhapur tilam upih. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	The smaller keris may be just out of stain; it apparently has lost some substance due to age/erosion. The larger one seems to be quite decent: the pamor family is mlumah (i.e. horizontal layers) and would be considered a random pattern. Regards, Kai  | 
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			You are quite sure about those dhapur nominations Kai?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			I don't think tilam upih is ever wavy, is it?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			Ouch, that was a no-brainer, sorry. Thanks, Alan! 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	13 luk, pejetan, and tikel alis: Make that out of pakem keraton Surakarta for the longer piece, I guess. Regards, Kai  | 
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			Yeah, I think so. 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	But it could well be within pakem somewhere else. The little one I'm not real sure of either, it looks like it might have a tikel alis, but its not real clear on my monitor.  | 
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