Mysterious jambiya

Kubur · 11th December 2016, 09:21 PM

Hi Guys,
I'm very surprised that no one spotted this jambiya sold recently.
...not mine...
There is a name at the back.
I wonder if someome will be able to tell us what is this mysterious name...

David · 12th December 2016, 01:50 AM

Well Kubur, there was a Sir John Gayer who was once in charge of all the East India Company's affairs in India. But he would most probably pre-date this weapon. However, Gayer is a rather established English name as far as i can tell. Perhaps this belonged to one of his descendants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gayer_(died_1711)

motan · 12th December 2016, 11:34 AM

Hi Kubur, I have found a much more likely candidate. Citing from Wikipedia: "Gayer-Anderson Pasha:
He joined the Royal Army Medical Corps in 1904 and was later transferred to the Egyptian Army in 1907. He was then promoted to become a Major in 1914 and during the same year, he became Assistant Adjutant-General for recruiting in the Egyptian Army. In 1919, he retired from the army to become the Senior Inspector in the Egyptian Ministry of the Interior, and he later became the Oriental Secretary to the British Residency in Cairo. He retired in 1924 but continued to live in Egypt, expanding his interests in Egyptology and Oriental Studies."
He stayed a long time in Egypt and was a known orientalist and a collector of weapons that are now presented in the Gayer-Anderson Museum in Cairo.
Could be him, but as said by David, not a very rare name, so it could be someone else..

Kubur · 12th December 2016, 05:00 PM

Thank you David
Well I have someone else in mind...
I will wait a bit to see if one Forum member will find the answer.

Andreas · 12th December 2016, 05:37 PM

I'll give it a shot: Robert Grenville Gayer-Anderson (1881-1945), soldier, orientalist and famed collector.

Kubur · 12th December 2016, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andreas

I'll give it a shot: Robert Grenville Gayer-Anderson (1881-1945), soldier, orientalist and famed collector.

YES Well done my friend!
Most of his collection is in Cairo.
But some objects are dissiminated in private and public collections in US and Uk.
This jambiya was sold in US.

Andreas · 13th December 2016, 04:24 PM

Motan, I notice you had the answer to Kubur’s question ahead of me, but as you are still under probation mine got posted first. It happened to me, and it is frustrating, also a helpful answer may go unnoticed. However, this precaution helps maintaining certain standards.
About the jambiya, I have a couple of questions: what the material the hilt is made of could be? And what are these coin-looking disks with Roman numbers on them supposed to represent? An attempt to imitate Venetian ducats, perhaps?

11th December 2016, 09:21 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Mysterious jambiya Hi Guys, I'm very surprised that no one spotted this jambiya sold recently. ...not mine... There is a name at the back. I wonder if someome will be able to tell us what is this mysterious name... Attached Images

12th December 2016, 11:34 AM	#3
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Gayer? Hi Kubur, I have found a much more likely candidate. Citing from Wikipedia: "Gayer-Anderson Pasha: He joined the Royal Army Medical Corps in 1904 and was later transferred to the Egyptian Army in 1907. He was then promoted to become a Major in 1914 and during the same year, he became Assistant Adjutant-General for recruiting in the Egyptian Army. In 1919, he retired from the army to become the Senior Inspector in the Egyptian Ministry of the Interior, and he later became the Oriental Secretary to the British Residency in Cairo. He retired in 1924 but continued to live in Egypt, expanding his interests in Egyptology and Oriental Studies." He stayed a long time in Egypt and was a known orientalist and a collector of weapons that are now presented in the Gayer-Anderson Museum in Cairo. Could be him, but as said by David, not a very rare name, so it could be someone else..

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12th December 2016, 01:50 AM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Well Kubur, there was a Sir John Gayer who was once in charge of all the East India Company's affairs in India. But he would most probably pre-date this weapon. However, Gayer is a rather established English name as far as i can tell. Perhaps this belonged to one of his descendants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gayer_(died_1711)

12th December 2016, 05:00 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thank you David Well I have someone else in mind... I will wait a bit to see if one Forum member will find the answer.

12th December 2016, 05:37 PM	#5
Andreas Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ionian Islands, Greece Posts: 96	I'll give it a shot: Robert Grenville Gayer-Anderson (1881-1945), soldier, orientalist and famed collector.

13th December 2016, 04:24 PM	#7
Andreas Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ionian Islands, Greece Posts: 96	Motan, I notice you had the answer to Kubur’s question ahead of me, but as you are still under probation mine got posted first. It happened to me, and it is frustrating, also a helpful answer may go unnoticed. However, this precaution helps maintaining certain standards. About the jambiya, I have a couple of questions: what the material the hilt is made of could be? And what are these coin-looking disks with Roman numbers on them supposed to represent? An attempt to imitate Venetian ducats, perhaps?