Ottoman shishana / shishane or boyliya?

estcrh · 18th July 2016, 06:48 PM

Not quite sure exactly what this is, anyone have an opinion?

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Ottoman miqueletlock shishana / shishane (long gun with a hexagonal wooden butt and a heavy barrel, a stock form used by the janissary and the seymeni) or possibly a Balkan boyliya, 18th c, 58" long, 44 1/2" tapered octagonal 70 cal. damascus twist iron barrel with silver bands, integral open rear sight, double blade front sight, breech inlaid with a silver band and silver bordered gilt brass inlaid makers mark, wood stock of typical construction studded with silver tacks.

TVV · 18th July 2016, 08:09 PM

Given the length, I would call this a Boyliya (the name is derived from the word "boy", meaning a man's height). The shishanes tend to be shorter. Another main distiction is that boyliya is usually reserved to indicate a smooth bore, while shishanes were rifled.

The lock on the other hand is not of the Boyliya type.

Teodor

Kubur · 18th July 2016, 09:03 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21532
The lock is very Caucasian / Turkish to me.
Bulgaria, Turkey, Caucasus, I would call your gun, a Black sea rifle...

Best,
Kubur

estcrh · 19th July 2016, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TVV

Given the length, I would call this a Boyliya (the name is derived from the word "boy", meaning a man's height). The shishanes tend to be shorter. Another main distiction is that boyliya is usually reserved to indicate a smooth bore, while shishanes were rifled.

The lock on the other hand is not of the Boyliya type.

Teodor

Thanks Teodor, it is a smooth bore, the barrel walls look quite thin.

estcrh · 19th July 2016, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21532
The lock is very Caucasian / Turkish to me.
Bulgaria, Turkey, Caucasus, I would call your gun, a Black sea rifle...

Best,
Kubur

Thanks Kuber, I have never heard of a "Black Sea rifle", since it is a smooth bore I think it would technically not qualify as a rifle.

I am not good with the differences between locks, here is a detailed image if this is of any help.

Kubur · 19th July 2016, 09:09 AM

You are certainly right for the barrel.
I think that could be an Ottoman lock, the old ones are very similar to the Caucasian locks.

estcrh · 19th July 2016, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

You are certainly right for the barrel.
I think that could be an Ottoman lock, the old ones are very similar to the Caucasian locks.

Thanks Kuber, it has a very Ottoman shape, by all appearances this is quite an old musket.

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18th July 2016, 08:09 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,724	Given the length, I would call this a Boyliya (the name is derived from the word "boy", meaning a man's height). The shishanes tend to be shorter. Another main distiction is that boyliya is usually reserved to indicate a smooth bore, while shishanes were rifled. The lock on the other hand is not of the Boyliya type. Teodor

18th July 2016, 09:03 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21532 The lock is very Caucasian / Turkish to me. Bulgaria, Turkey, Caucasus, I would call your gun, a Black sea rifle... Best, Kubur

19th July 2016, 09:09 AM	#6
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	You are certainly right for the barrel. I think that could be an Ottoman lock, the old ones are very similar to the Caucasian locks.