Pamor Rahim

brekele · 21st January 2009, 05:30 PM

Hi forumities
Somebody from Malaysia told me that this kind of pamor called Pamor Rahim (Uterus).

hhmm.....

I heard this kind of Pamor name few months ago, Is it really exist that kind of pamor name?

Thank you
Bre.

A. G. Maisey · 21st January 2009, 09:31 PM

Not in any pakem that I have ever seen, and I could not imagine any Javanese person with any self respect applying such a name to a pamor on the ultimate male symbol. To me, this sounds like current era pop krisolgie.

brekele · 21st January 2009, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I could not imagine any Javanese person with any self respect applying such a name to a pamor on the ultimate male symbol.

Why? Any reason?

In Keris knowledge, there is also contact name/mentioning with female.
For example:
Part of ganja keris called Rondo Nunut.
Rondo = Widow.
Nunut = Ride in / Boarding.

ganjawulung · 22nd January 2009, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brekele

Part of ganja keris called Rondo Nunut.
Rondo = Widow.
Nunut = Ride in / Boarding.

Dear Brekele,
IMHO, "rondo nunut" is not a "rondo" (widow) -- riding something. But an 'easy spelling' or 'quick spelling' of "rong dho" (two 'dho' -- two javanese 12th alphabets 'dho' or 'dha' in the greneng) nunut.

So, IMHO, "rongdho nunut" could be meant for "two more dhos above two dhos in the end of the greneng")

Below are two pics of Javanese characters or caraka scripts, vocal and consonant. And also, example of a keris greneng with 'rongdho nunut' at the end of the keris tail...

GANJAWULUNG

A. G. Maisey · 22nd January 2009, 02:35 AM

Yes Pak Ganja, correct, however, I think that a better explanation of the "nunut" might be that "nunut" means precisely to "ride along together", not "ride in". In the case of the ron dha nunut, it is "riding along together" with the other ron dha ( which could be more than an additional single ron dha) in the greneng. I understand your logic with "rong" , but a couple of very knowledgeable and respected people gave me my explanation.

I'm sorry I wasted your time Brekele.

If you need to ask, I'm afraid it is beyond my capacity to explain this to you.

brekele · 22nd January 2009, 06:19 AM

Thank you Pak Ganjawulung for correct explanation.
I'm sure you are right about this.

Some Keris book explanation wrong about Rondo Nunut.

21st January 2009, 05:30 PM	#1
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Pamor Rahim Hi forumities Somebody from Malaysia told me that this kind of pamor called Pamor Rahim (Uterus). hhmm..... I heard this kind of Pamor name few months ago, Is it really exist that kind of pamor name? Thank you Bre. Attached Images

22nd January 2009, 06:19 AM	#6
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Thank you Pak Ganjawulung for correct explanation. I'm sure you are right about this. Some Keris book explanation wrong about Rondo Nunut. Attached Images

21st January 2009, 09:31 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Not in any pakem that I have ever seen, and I could not imagine any Javanese person with any self respect applying such a name to a pamor on the ultimate male symbol. To me, this sounds like current era pop krisolgie.

22nd January 2009, 02:35 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yes Pak Ganja, correct, however, I think that a better explanation of the "nunut" might be that "nunut" means precisely to "ride along together", not "ride in". In the case of the ron dha nunut, it is "riding along together" with the other ron dha ( which could be more than an additional single ron dha) in the greneng. I understand your logic with "rong" , but a couple of very knowledgeable and respected people gave me my explanation. I'm sorry I wasted your time Brekele. If you need to ask, I'm afraid it is beyond my capacity to explain this to you.