Is This kampilan from the mandaya s ???

Dajak · 21st December 2006, 06:43 PM

Is this kampilan from the mandaya s

Ben

Battara · 22nd December 2006, 02:46 AM

Interesting piece. I would put the scabbard at being T'boli according to the carvings. Moros, especially the Maranao and Maguindanao are close to the T'boli regions and have influenced them.

Dajak · 22nd December 2006, 11:12 AM

Hi Battara the reason I was thinking this because this display
they use the same coluors

http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...ya-weapons.jpg

Ben

Battara · 22nd December 2006, 09:25 PM

The colors are used across the region, from the T'boli and Bagobo in the south to the Kalinga and Bontoc way in the north.

By the way, the Mandaya dagger is mine - I was surprised to see it - it must be the museum display.

kai · 22nd December 2006, 10:15 PM

Hello Ben,

Could you please post a pic of the whole blade? Thanks!

Regards,
Kai

Dajak · 23rd December 2006, 10:40 AM

Hi Kai here is the full blade

Ben

Ian · 24th December 2006, 02:37 AM

Hi Ben:

You have a marriage of styles here, although probably combined in a host culture rather than by someone creating something for sale.

The handle is Moro (probably Maranao) in form. The short kampilan styled blade is commonly found among several Lumad groups (notably the T'boli and Bagobo -- the latter including the Tagakaolu near Davao City) and the scabbard, as mentioned by Battara, is Lumad also (probably T'boli). The traditional Mandaya blades do not include a kampilan form according to historical sources.

Overall it appears to be a Lumad piece, probably T'boli, but with a Moro handle.

Interesting piece.

Ian.

Dajak · 24th December 2006, 12:54 PM

Hi Ian thanks it is for me difficult the weapons from the Philipinne and different tribes

What makes this an moro handle ???

Ben

Battara · 24th December 2006, 11:25 PM

HI Ben,

Moro kampilan handles usually have the this what I would call crocodile mouth and hair with a thick crossguard. Some of these are found in Borneo also (where Moros also live). There are other variations (just search for kampilan on this site) as Cato mentions, but this is the most common and uniquely Moro. Other kampilan blades can be seen on Lumad pieces but without the Moro hilt (usually with Lumad hilts).

kai · 26th December 2006, 02:50 PM

Thanks, Ben!

I'm not sure but also the blade is very close to Moro kampilan blades. Could this be a cut-down Moro blade to suit the (T'boli?) owner's preference for shorter blades of the klewang family?

Regards,
Kai

Dajak · 26th December 2006, 07:04 PM

Hi Kai I don t now much about kampilans so it could be

Here another kampilan that have not a common point the scabbard off this one has carving they use in Borneo

Ben

kai · 26th December 2006, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Here another kampilan that have not a common point the scabbard off this one has carving they use in Borneo

Sounds very interesting, Ben!

By all means, attach a pic or two next time...

Regards,
Kai

Dajak · 26th December 2006, 09:26 PM

I just did

Ben

21st December 2006, 06:43 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Is This kampilan from the mandaya s ??? Is this kampilan from the mandaya s Ben Attached Images

23rd December 2006, 10:40 AM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Kai here is the full blade Ben Attached Images

24th December 2006, 02:37 AM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	Probably Lumad but not Mandaya Hi Ben: You have a marriage of styles here, although probably combined in a host culture rather than by someone creating something for sale. The handle is Moro (probably Maranao) in form. The short kampilan styled blade is commonly found among several Lumad groups (notably the T'boli and Bagobo -- the latter including the Tagakaolu near Davao City) and the scabbard, as mentioned by Battara, is Lumad also (probably T'boli). The traditional Mandaya blades do not include a kampilan form according to historical sources. Overall it appears to be a Lumad piece, probably T'boli, but with a Moro handle. Interesting piece. Ian.

26th December 2006, 07:04 PM	#11
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Kai I don t now much about kampilans so it could be Here another kampilan that have not a common point the scabbard off this one has carving they use in Borneo Ben Attached Images Last edited by Dajak; 26th December 2006 at 09:21 PM.

22nd December 2006, 02:46 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Interesting piece. I would put the scabbard at being T'boli according to the carvings. Moros, especially the Maranao and Maguindanao are close to the T'boli regions and have influenced them.

22nd December 2006, 11:12 AM	#3
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Battara the reason I was thinking this because this display they use the same coluors http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...ya-weapons.jpg Ben

22nd December 2006, 09:25 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	The colors are used across the region, from the T'boli and Bagobo in the south to the Kalinga and Bontoc way in the north. By the way, the Mandaya dagger is mine - I was surprised to see it - it must be the museum display.

22nd December 2006, 10:15 PM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Ben, Could you please post a pic of the whole blade? Thanks! Regards, Kai

24th December 2006, 12:54 PM	#8
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Ian thanks it is for me difficult the weapons from the Philipinne and different tribes What makes this an moro handle ??? Ben

24th December 2006, 11:25 PM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	HI Ben, Moro kampilan handles usually have the this what I would call crocodile mouth and hair with a thick crossguard. Some of these are found in Borneo also (where Moros also live). There are other variations (just search for kampilan on this site) as Cato mentions, but this is the most common and uniquely Moro. Other kampilan blades can be seen on Lumad pieces but without the Moro hilt (usually with Lumad hilts).

26th December 2006, 02:50 PM	#10
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Thanks, Ben! I'm not sure but also the blade is very close to Moro kampilan blades. Could this be a cut-down Moro blade to suit the (T'boli?) owner's preference for shorter blades of the klewang family? Regards, Kai

26th December 2006, 09:26 PM	#13
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	I just did Ben