Not the first time this guy was robbed

josh stout · 20th March 2014, 03:57 PM

A recent news article described the theft of "medieval armor and a stuffed snow leopard". European armor is outside my specialty, but I can say with 100% certainty that it is not medieval. I also have a strong feeling that the leopard is not a snow leopard (say 90%), and if it is, having a recently stuffed one, as this appears to be, is much more of a crime than the robbery

I hope this comes out in the trial. The web is talking about the stupidity of teenagers, but I see some world class adult stupidity compounded by every reporter who unquestioningly passes on the story without mentioning fraud and a possible violation of the endangered species act.

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/14...-in-at-mansion

Matchlock · 20th March 2014, 04:25 PM

Hi Josh,

My first thought was:
Whoever expects such a newly-rich guy

without any profound cultural and/or historical, let alone weaponry-related, background to own a genuine medieval suit of armor must be nuts!

So let those 'thieves' be happy with what they grabbed - it will, in all probability, not really do any harm to either history or weaponry.

Best,
Michael

A Senefelder · 20th March 2014, 04:36 PM

The " armour " ( two great helmets and a shield ) shown in the article picture appears to be recently made from one of several Spanish manufactures for display purposes only. Unless there's something not being shown in the photo, the " medieval armour " accounts for about $300 from any one of a hundred ebay resellers.

Matchlock · 20th March 2014, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Senefelder

The " armour " ( two great helmets and a shield ) shown in the article picture appears to be recently made from one of several Spanish manufactures for display purposes only. Unless there's something not being shown in the photo, the " medieval armour " accounts for about $300 from any one of a hundred ebay resellers.

Thanks for confirming my assumption, so much for that.

m

M ELEY · 20th March 2014, 09:00 PM

The snow leopard was probably faked as well. Perhaps a plush pink panther toy!-

fernando · 20th March 2014, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M ELEY

The snow leopard was probably faked as well. Perhaps a plush pink panther toy!-

Let's hope so, Captain ... for the sake of snow leopards, not the bimbo owner

Matchlock · 20th March 2014, 09:18 PM

Oh yeah, it's a cruel scandal how mankind extirpates other species, often before they were even given the chance to get 'detected' by representatives of the very same self-proclaimed so-called 'summit of creation' ..

m

josh stout · 24th March 2014, 05:18 PM

On the topic of antiques, fakes and theft, I am trying to figure out the chain of crime and who is at fault for what parts. If the buyer paid thousands and was robbed of something with a replacement cost of hundreds and a resale value of next to nothing, is it grand larceny? What if buying and selling the thing is illegal on its own, such as some artifacts, or endangered animals? If I buy $250000 of fake heroin, and someone steals it from me thinking it is $100 of caffein, but it is really sugar, who committed what crime? I know this is philosophical, but these things come up in the antique collecting community.

Matchlock · 24th March 2014, 05:50 PM

And may I add: these questions come up quite rightly!

It's exactly this kind of straight and analytical thinking that stirs up a society gone replete and complacent.
Who is who in this world full of intertwined coherences, and who is responsible for exactly what?

Too philosophical for a forum about old weapons? No, this is in the right place absolutely.

Best,
Michael

20th March 2014, 03:57 PM	#1
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	Not the first time this guy was robbed A recent news article described the theft of "medieval armor and a stuffed snow leopard". European armor is outside my specialty, but I can say with 100% certainty that it is not medieval. I also have a strong feeling that the leopard is not a snow leopard (say 90%), and if it is, having a recently stuffed one, as this appears to be, is much more of a crime than the robbery I hope this comes out in the trial. The web is talking about the stupidity of teenagers, but I see some world class adult stupidity compounded by every reporter who unquestioningly passes on the story without mentioning fraud and a possible violation of the endangered species act. http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/14...-in-at-mansion

20th March 2014, 04:25 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Josh, My first thought was: Whoever expects such a newly-rich guy without any profound cultural and/or historical, let alone weaponry-related, background to own a genuine medieval suit of armor must be nuts! So let those 'thieves' be happy with what they grabbed - it will, in all probability, not really do any harm to either history or weaponry. Best, Michael

20th March 2014, 04:36 PM	#3
A Senefelder Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 214	The " armour " ( two great helmets and a shield ) shown in the article picture appears to be recently made from one of several Spanish manufactures for display purposes only. Unless there's something not being shown in the photo, the " medieval armour " accounts for about $300 from any one of a hundred ebay resellers.

20th March 2014, 09:00 PM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,204	The snow leopard was probably faked as well. Perhaps a plush pink panther toy!-

20th March 2014, 09:18 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Oh yeah, it's a cruel scandal how mankind extirpates other species, often before they were even given the chance to get 'detected' by representatives of the very same self-proclaimed so-called 'summit of creation' .. m

24th March 2014, 05:18 PM	#8
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	On the topic of antiques, fakes and theft, I am trying to figure out the chain of crime and who is at fault for what parts. If the buyer paid thousands and was robbed of something with a replacement cost of hundreds and a resale value of next to nothing, is it grand larceny? What if buying and selling the thing is illegal on its own, such as some artifacts, or endangered animals? If I buy $250000 of fake heroin, and someone steals it from me thinking it is $100 of caffein, but it is really sugar, who committed what crime? I know this is philosophical, but these things come up in the antique collecting community.

24th March 2014, 05:50 PM	#9
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	And may I add: these questions come up quite rightly! It's exactly this kind of straight and analytical thinking that stirs up a society gone replete and complacent. Who is who in this world full of intertwined coherences, and who is responsible for exactly what? Too philosophical for a forum about old weapons? No, this is in the right place absolutely. Best, Michael