Late medieval italian handgonne

Spiridonov · 5th October 2010, 10:12 PM

The image of the late medieval handgonne from the fragment of picture "Piccolomini Presents Eleanor of Portugal to Emperor Frederick III". This picture is about 1490-1495 year.

Matchlock · 6th October 2010, 12:40 PM

Hi Alexander,

Very nice find, this one!

This sort of firearm ist a tiller gun (Stangenbüchse) that had to be ignited manually.

For more on these, please see my older tread

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=tiller

Best,
Michael

Spiridonov · 6th October 2010, 02:09 PM

Hi, Michael! Thank you for comments. But I think that this weapon is not a Stangenbüchse. I think that this weapon of this type:

Matchlock · 6th October 2010, 02:46 PM

Sorry, Alexander,

And thank you so much for correcting my old eyes! Of course you are perfectly right, I somehow overlooked the delicate half length forestock supporting the rear section of the barrel!

Best,
Michael

Spiridonov · 6th October 2010, 03:31 PM

By the way, Michael do you know the size and calibre of weapon from a the small photo? Do you have a high quality photo of this?

Matchlock · 6th October 2010, 05:13 PM

Alexander,

I of course have known that piece and am aware that it's in my library but cannot remember where. I recall though it's a very old b/w photo only.

If you tell me the title of the catalog (or in what museum it is) I will take 'revenge' with a best possible scan.

Best,
Michael

Spiridonov · 6th October 2010, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Alexander,

I of course have known that piece and am aware that it's in my library but cannot remember where. I recall though it's a very old b/w photo only.

If you tell me the title of the catalog (or in what museum it is) I will take 'revenge' with a best possible scan.

Best,
Michael

I got this picture from these site http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~dispater/handgonnes.htm

Quote:

handgonne from Majorca, cal. 12.5mm, early 1400's. Real Armeria, Madrid

Matchlock · 6th October 2010, 08:21 PM

OK, here it is, plus a similar one, all preserved in the Real Armeria Madrid!

Best,
Michael

Spiridonov · 11th October 2010, 10:29 AM

We can see one picture with handgonne of this type from British Library

This picture from Forum de L'Ost Du Dauphin:
http://ostdudauphin.forumperso.com/l...e-feu-t765.htm

fernando · 11th October 2010, 12:57 PM

Thanks for the link, Alexander.
Superb pictures, specially those of the firemasters ... and the firemaster horse (?).

Matchlock · 11th October 2010, 01:56 PM

Great find, Alexander, thank you!

m

Spiridonov · 2nd December 2012, 06:00 PM

Handgonne of similar type:
Horae ad usum Parisiensem. 1475-1500.jpg

Andi · 3rd December 2012, 01:01 PM

Oooohhh they are so cute

5th October 2010, 10:12 PM	#1
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Late medieval italian handgonne The image of the late medieval handgonne from the fragment of picture "Piccolomini Presents Eleanor of Portugal to Emperor Frederick III". This picture is about 1490-1495 year. Attached Images

6th October 2010, 02:09 PM	#3
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Hi, Michael! Thank you for comments. But I think that this weapon is not a Stangenbüchse. I think that this weapon of this type: Attached Images

6th October 2010, 08:21 PM	#8
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	OK, here it is, plus a similar one, all preserved in the Real Armeria Madrid! Best, Michael Attached Images

2nd December 2012, 06:00 PM	#12
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Handgonne of similar type: Horae ad usum Parisiensem. 1475-1500.jpg Attached Images

6th October 2010, 12:40 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Alexander, Very nice find, this one! This sort of firearm ist a tiller gun (Stangenbüchse) that had to be ignited manually. For more on these, please see my older tread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=tiller Best, Michael

6th October 2010, 02:46 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Sorry, Alexander, And thank you so much for correcting my old eyes! Of course you are perfectly right, I somehow overlooked the delicate half length forestock supporting the rear section of the barrel! Best, Michael

6th October 2010, 03:31 PM	#5
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	By the way, Michael do you know the size and calibre of weapon from a the small photo? Do you have a high quality photo of this?

6th October 2010, 05:13 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Alexander, I of course have known that piece and am aware that it's in my library but cannot remember where. I recall though it's a very old b/w photo only. If you tell me the title of the catalog (or in what museum it is) I will take 'revenge' with a best possible scan. Best, Michael

11th October 2010, 10:29 AM	#9
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	We can see one picture with handgonne of this type from British Library This picture from Forum de L'Ost Du Dauphin: http://ostdudauphin.forumperso.com/l...e-feu-t765.htm

11th October 2010, 12:57 PM	#10
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks for the link, Alexander. Superb pictures, specially those of the firemasters ... and the firemaster horse (?).

11th October 2010, 01:56 PM	#11
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Great find, Alexander, thank you! m

3rd December 2012, 01:01 PM	#13
Andi Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Halstenbek, Germany Posts: 203	Oooohhh they are so cute