Indonésian Dagger Identification

ericlaude · 31st January 2011, 10:43 PM

Good morning to all,
Another new post , with another piece who I thinks it must be Indonesian but I'm not sure, it comes from an ancient collection, have only two pictures of it for the moment because I haven't receivt it yet. If somebody can tell me more about it ( its name and exactly origine) thank you in advance.
The handle is made of wood and represents monkey's head with big teeth, with a brass ferule .
The scabbard is in wood and its foot is made with bronze
It measure 18" OVLL
One more time Thanks

Sajen · 31st January 2011, 11:38 PM

Hello Eric,

when it is really old congrats to a very rare find!

It is a Si euli in my humble opinion, one of the rarest and costly Indonesian daggers from Nias. It is good that you have a provenance for it, look that you can get the information when it comes to Europe. Search here a little bit with this name, you will found some threads. Also look to Zonneveld page 123/124.

But please look special this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=euli

It seems that there a lot of copys on the market. Michael will know if it's an original one.

Best regards,

Detlef

ericlaude · 31st January 2011, 11:59 PM

Thank you sajen,
Before to post my thread, I saw in the "Zonneveld" the Si euli but I was not sure. I bought this piece to an old ladie who sold the collection of her dead husband.
I will find more information.
Many thanks.
Regards
Eric

Sajen · 1st February 2011, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericlaude

Thank you sajen,
Before to post my thread, I saw in the "Zonneveld" the Si euli but I was not sure. I bought this piece to an old ladie who sold the collection of her dead husband.
I will find more information.
Many thanks.
Regards
Eric

How long is the blade?

ericlaude · 1st February 2011, 12:21 AM

I know the total length 18" .But when I will recive it ( 3 days) I will answer with more précision.
Regard

Rick · 1st February 2011, 01:28 AM

Nias then perhaps ?

kai · 1st February 2011, 07:37 AM

Hello Eric,

Sure, Nias. However, this doesn't look antique to me - most likely post-independance production IMHO.

Like Batak, Nias cultural artifacts have been extensively reproduced for selling to outsiders. At first, these apparently came from Nias with quality of craftmanship deteriorating during the 20th c. (as with Moro kris or Dayak mandau); during the last decades artisans from Bali seem to have been dominating the market with artificially patinated fakes AFAIK.

Regards,
Kai

ericlaude · 4th February 2011, 12:33 PM

I receivt it,
The blade legth is 10,2"
The hilt 4,2"
The patina is really old
See more details on photos

ericlaude · 4th February 2011, 12:33 PM

asomotif · 4th February 2011, 08:29 PM

The wood is very light and made dark.
IMHO not something you see on old pieces

Here is another thread about similar knives.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=nias+dagger

31st January 2011, 10:43 PM	#1
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Indonésian Dagger Identification Good morning to all, Another new post , with another piece who I thinks it must be Indonesian but I'm not sure, it comes from an ancient collection, have only two pictures of it for the moment because I haven't receivt it yet. If somebody can tell me more about it ( its name and exactly origine) thank you in advance. The handle is made of wood and represents monkey's head with big teeth, with a brass ferule . The scabbard is in wood and its foot is made with bronze It measure 18" OVLL One more time Thanks Attached Images

31st January 2011, 11:38 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello Eric, when it is really old congrats to a very rare find! It is a Si euli in my humble opinion, one of the rarest and costly Indonesian daggers from Nias. It is good that you have a provenance for it, look that you can get the information when it comes to Europe. Search here a little bit with this name, you will found some threads. Also look to Zonneveld page 123/124. But please look special this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=euli It seems that there a lot of copys on the market. Michael will know if it's an original one. Best regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 31st January 2011 at 11:57 PM.

4th February 2011, 12:33 PM	#8
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	I receivt it, The blade legth is 10,2" The hilt 4,2" The patina is really old See more details on photos Attached Images

4th February 2011, 12:33 PM	#9
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Next Attached Images

31st January 2011, 11:59 PM	#3
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Thank you sajen, Before to post my thread, I saw in the "Zonneveld" the Si euli but I was not sure. I bought this piece to an old ladie who sold the collection of her dead husband. I will find more information. Many thanks. Regards Eric

1st February 2011, 12:21 AM	#5
ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	I know the total length 18" .But when I will recive it ( 3 days) I will answer with more précision. Regard

1st February 2011, 01:28 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Nias then perhaps ?

1st February 2011, 07:37 AM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Eric, Sure, Nias. However, this doesn't look antique to me - most likely post-independance production IMHO. Like Batak, Nias cultural artifacts have been extensively reproduced for selling to outsiders. At first, these apparently came from Nias with quality of craftmanship deteriorating during the 20th c. (as with Moro kris or Dayak mandau); during the last decades artisans from Bali seem to have been dominating the market with artificially patinated fakes AFAIK. Regards, Kai

4th February 2011, 08:29 PM	#10
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	The wood is very light and made dark. IMHO not something you see on old pieces Here is another thread about similar knives. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=nias+dagger