Hi Motan
Finally good stuff!
For the first one it's what i call the mini kinjal from Damascus
But the blade is nicer and different than the 1920ties ones
and your scabbard is very 19th c. So it's difficult to say but i don't think that your dagger is later than 1900.
For the second one, oh lucky man, to me it's an Ottoman Turkish blade 18th or early 19th c...
Maybe you got your 19th c shibriyya with an 18th c blade...
I'm jealous... I can give you 4 cents for it...
Marius will tell you to etch it and he will be right...
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...+turkish+blade
