Ethnographic Arms & Armour - View Single Post - St. Augustine Florida Excavated Spanish Morion

Philip · 17th February 2017, 06:47 AM

So when is it a cabacete and when is it a morione? Curatorial choices of terminology can be quite varied and perhaps arbitrary -- the latter especially considering the number of neologisms which have become attached to certain objects by kernoozers and hobbyists long after the items themselves had passed from current use into the realm of nostalgia. ("Miquelet" and "mortuary hilt" are two classic examples of neologisms in a non-armor context.)

Fernando's posts, as well as mine, have touched on this. Here's another one --
the flat-brimmed cabasset with the pear stem top that the curators of the Armeria del Palazzo Ducale have placed into the class "morione a punta" is tagged as a "zuccotto" by the folks at the Armeria Reale di Torino. Same thing, different name.

And how about same name applied to a range of very different helmets? Check out Oakeshott, "European Weapons and Armour" fig. 90, A-K to see the variety of forms classified as "burgonets".

17th February 2017, 06:47 AM	#21
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	variations in terminology So when is it a cabacete and when is it a morione? Curatorial choices of terminology can be quite varied and perhaps arbitrary -- the latter especially considering the number of neologisms which have become attached to certain objects by kernoozers and hobbyists long after the items themselves had passed from current use into the realm of nostalgia. ("Miquelet" and "mortuary hilt" are two classic examples of neologisms in a non-armor context.) Fernando's posts, as well as mine, have touched on this. Here's another one -- the flat-brimmed cabasset with the pear stem top that the curators of the Armeria del Palazzo Ducale have placed into the class "morione a punta" is tagged as a "zuccotto" by the folks at the Armeria Reale di Torino. Same thing, different name. And how about same name applied to a range of very different helmets? Check out Oakeshott, "European Weapons and Armour" fig. 90, A-K to see the variety of forms classified as "burgonets".