Ethnographic Arms & Armour - View Single Post - dagger series, nr3 the Flemish ballock dagger late 15thC

Matchlock · 13th January 2014, 03:47 PM

Hi Jim,

I am convinced that the three lobes on these daggers followed a well-documented Gothic stylistic tradition: the Gothic trefoil (German Dreipass).
E.g., smith's marks were often struck double or three times on Gothic and Early-Renaissance ironworks like axt blades and barrels. Also, the trefoil itself was often employed as a means of decoration in that period.

Attached please find, in order of appearance:

- double trefoil arch above the Virgin's head, French, ca. 1375

- trefoil pommel, painting of St. Martin, museum Mühlheim

- trefoil pommel, Italian saber, ~1520-25, author's colln. (3 images)

- trefoil pommel, ca. 1520

- Italian swords with trefoil pommels, early 16th c., from Armi Bianche Italiane.

- trefoil-shaped padlock, mid-16th c.

- trefoil-shaped staghorn flask, extremely rare, engraved with an annunciation scene, Nuremberg, ca. 1540, author's colln. (3 images)

- trefoil element in Gothic architecture: arch on left side (Master of the Annunciation of Aix, ca. 1440)

Indeed, I'm eager to 'drink' more from Jaspers rich well of expertise!

Best wishes,
Michael

13th January 2014, 03:47 PM	#18
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jim, I am convinced that the three lobes on these daggers followed a well-documented Gothic stylistic tradition: the Gothic trefoil (German Dreipass). E.g., smith's marks were often struck double or three times on Gothic and Early-Renaissance ironworks like axt blades and barrels. Also, the trefoil itself was often employed as a means of decoration in that period. Attached please find, in order of appearance: - double trefoil arch above the Virgin's head, French, ca. 1375 - trefoil pommel, painting of St. Martin, museum Mühlheim - trefoil pommel, Italian saber, ~1520-25, author's colln. (3 images) - trefoil pommel, ca. 1520 - Italian swords with trefoil pommels, early 16th c., from Armi Bianche Italiane. - trefoil-shaped padlock, mid-16th c. - trefoil-shaped staghorn flask, extremely rare, engraved with an annunciation scene, Nuremberg, ca. 1540, author's colln. (3 images) - trefoil element in Gothic architecture: arch on left side (Master of the Annunciation of Aix, ca. 1440) Indeed, I'm eager to 'drink' more from Jaspers rich well of expertise! Best wishes, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 13th January 2014 at 05:13 PM.