Thank you Michael
Allas, the Dutch "zuinigheid" (frugality) didn't permit them to write this down i think...
the second one does have a discription which can be translated roughly to: "Partly round with octagonal barrel. Topside of barrel with raised sight en two unidentified markings (one of which a shield with three crosses). Stock partly restored (butt stock) and some woodworm damages."
http://www.collectie.legermuseum.nl/...tring=lontslot