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Philip · 18th June 2010, 07:01 AM

Congratulations on a very interesting piece. It belongs to a large family of continental Asian muskets of very similar dimensions and configurations, formerly in wide use in Eastern Iran, Afghanistan, the central Asian khanates and emirates, and on into Tibet and China. Characteristic features are not only the forked barrel rest but the slender butts that are held against the shoulder, and the Turco-Persian matchlock with a non-snapping, forward-falling serpentine. There are minor regional differences in buttstock profile; the more deeply-recurved ones like this were prevalent in the western regions mentioned above; Tibetan stocks tend to be all but straight (somewhat resembling the Indian torador), and the Chinese ones tend to fall in between.

The conical expansion of the exterior of the muzzle is a common feature on many of these guns, and on toradars as well.

Yours could well be from Central Asia; I once saw a photo taken late in the 19th cent. of an armory in a palace in Bukhara or Khiva, with several dozen guns just like this one hanging on a wall. (drool! pant!)

Contrast this with the typical muskets of SE Asia, Japan, and Korea, which are of Indo-Portuguese origin -- short butts braced against the cheek, and locks having a snapping serpentine powered by a leaf or V spring on the exterior, released by a horizontal sear protruding through the lockplate and activated by a free-hanging trigger. Please refer to the appendices of Howard L. Blackmore's GUNS AND RIFLE OF THE WORLD (NY: 1965) for diagrams of characteristic musket butts and matchlocks which illustrated these differences, along with photos of the guns themselves.

LASTLY, A WORD ABOUT THE BARREL REST -- this is not from a Japanese Arisaka rifle. The Type 99 infantry rifle of World War II had a MONOpod, not a BIpod -- it was formed of a continuous heavy steel wire which essentially took a specially shaped "U" bend at the bottom where it rested on the ground while in use. The bend was designed in such a way that the unit would also hug the contour of the stock when folded, with minimal protrusions. What you see here is a two-legged barrel rest, which is typical on many guns from the regions named previously, and which was also seen on early Mughal toradars prior to the mid-17th cent.

These traditional bipods were so popular in parts of Siberia and the Tibetan plateau that they were often installed by tribesmen on modern rifles well into the 20th cent. I've seen pics of Buryat and Kham nomad hunters with these legs adapted to fit Mosin-Nagant and Mauser bolt-action rifles.

18th June 2010, 07:01 AM	#4
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	origin of gun / barrel rest Congratulations on a very interesting piece. It belongs to a large family of continental Asian muskets of very similar dimensions and configurations, formerly in wide use in Eastern Iran, Afghanistan, the central Asian khanates and emirates, and on into Tibet and China. Characteristic features are not only the forked barrel rest but the slender butts that are held against the shoulder, and the Turco-Persian matchlock with a non-snapping, forward-falling serpentine. There are minor regional differences in buttstock profile; the more deeply-recurved ones like this were prevalent in the western regions mentioned above; Tibetan stocks tend to be all but straight (somewhat resembling the Indian torador), and the Chinese ones tend to fall in between. The conical expansion of the exterior of the muzzle is a common feature on many of these guns, and on toradars as well. Yours could well be from Central Asia; I once saw a photo taken late in the 19th cent. of an armory in a palace in Bukhara or Khiva, with several dozen guns just like this one hanging on a wall. (drool! pant!) Contrast this with the typical muskets of SE Asia, Japan, and Korea, which are of Indo-Portuguese origin -- short butts braced against the cheek, and locks having a snapping serpentine powered by a leaf or V spring on the exterior, released by a horizontal sear protruding through the lockplate and activated by a free-hanging trigger. Please refer to the appendices of Howard L. Blackmore's GUNS AND RIFLE OF THE WORLD (NY: 1965) for diagrams of characteristic musket butts and matchlocks which illustrated these differences, along with photos of the guns themselves. LASTLY, A WORD ABOUT THE BARREL REST -- this is not from a Japanese Arisaka rifle. The Type 99 infantry rifle of World War II had a MONOpod, not a BIpod -- it was formed of a continuous heavy steel wire which essentially took a specially shaped "U" bend at the bottom where it rested on the ground while in use. The bend was designed in such a way that the unit would also hug the contour of the stock when folded, with minimal protrusions. What you see here is a two-legged barrel rest, which is typical on many guns from the regions named previously, and which was also seen on early Mughal toradars prior to the mid-17th cent. These traditional bipods were so popular in parts of Siberia and the Tibetan plateau that they were often installed by tribesmen on modern rifles well into the 20th cent. I've seen pics of Buryat and Kham nomad hunters with these legs adapted to fit Mosin-Nagant and Mauser bolt-action rifles.