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VANDOO · 1st July 2011, 10:21 PM

IT IS LIKEY THERE ARE NO CITES EMPLOYEES IN THE WORLD WHO COULD IDENTIFY A MANDAU HANDLE MADE OF SEA COW BONE AND LIKELY NONE WHO COULD EVEN IDENTIFY A COMPLETE SKULL. I WOULD THINK A LARGE RIB BONE WHERE IT CONNECTS TO THE SPINE WOULD BE OF THE RIGHT SHAPE AND SIZE FOR A MANDAU HANDLE.
I COULD ID A COMPLETE SKULL BUT NOT A PIECE OF CARVED BONE, I CAN ALSO ID HUMAN BONE IF THERE IS ENOUGH OF ITS ORIGINAL SHAPE REMAINING BUT A SMALL CARVED FRAGMENT ONLY CAN BE DONE IN A LAB EQUIPPED TO DO SO. SO AS LONG AS SEA COW OR ANY OTHER FORBIDDEN ITEM IS NOT MENTIONED IT SHOUILD PASS WITH NO PROBLEMS. I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED IN SOME COUNTRIES WITH THEFT BY POSTAL EMPLOYEES OR CUSTONS AGENTS.
THE PROBLEM IS ALL PEOPLE WORKING IN THESE TYPE JOBS ARE TRAINED TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE GENERAL POPULATION AS A GUILTY SUBSPECIES AND THE ENEMY. UNFORTUNATELY SOME PEOPLE DO FIT THIS TYPE BUT MOST DO NOT.
THIS USED NOT TO BE THE CASE AS THEY WERE JUST TRAINED TO UPHOLD THE LAWS AND SERVE THE PEOPLE BY UPHOLDING THOSE LAWS. IF A PERSON STOPPED ALONGSIDE THE ROAD AND TOOK SOME FEATHERS FROM A DEAD BIRD THAT HAPPENED TO BE AN EAGLE IN THE OLD DAYS IF A WARDEN SAW THIS HE WOULD CONFISCATE THE BIRD WARN THE PERSON ASSUMING HE WAS NOT A POACHER BUT IGNORANT OF THE LAW AND THAT WOULD LIKELY BE THE END OF IT. TODAY THE PERSON WOULD BE PROSECUTED AND FINED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW AND WOULD LIKELY SPEND MORE TIME IN PRISON THAN A MURDER. NOT BECAUSE THEY REALLY BELIEVED HE WAS A PROFESSIONAL EAGLE POACHER OR TO SERVE THE LAW JUSTLY BUT TO MAKE AN EXTREME EXAMPLE AND SET A PRECIDENT FOR FUTURE CASES.
IN THEIR DEFENSE MOST AGENTS ARE NOT LIKE THIS EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE OFTEN EDUCATED TO BE. BUT THERE ARE AGENTS OUT THERE WHO ARE BAD APPLES AND LIKE TO USE THEIR POWER TO CAUSE PEOPLE GREIF AND IF YOU RUN AFOUL OF ONE YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED GUILTY AND BAD NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR DO SO EXPECT NO MERCY.
I WORKED WITH THE CURATORS OF A NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM IN HOUSTON TEXAS AND FOUND ALL OF THEM TO BE GOOD PEOPLE AND FAIR AND REASONABLE BUT THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
I SENT AN ARTEFACT TO A LOCAL EXPERT AT A LOCAL COLLEGE FOR HIM TO GIVE AN OPINION ON. THE FELLOW I SENT IT WITH CAME BACK AND SAID IT WAS AN ATAL ATAL HANDLE OVER 10 THOUSAND YEARS OLD AND WAS MADE OF HUMAN BONE SO THE PROFESSOR HAD CONFISCATED IT AS PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE HUMAN REMAINS.
IF ASKED I WOULD HAVE GLADELY DONATED IT TO THE UNIVERSITY COLLECTION BUT WHEN TREATED LIKE A LOOTER ALTHOUGH IT WAS A SURFACE FIND IN A RIVER AND WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED SOON HAD I NOT FOUND IT. SO GET TO KNOW PEOPLE BEFORE YOU TRUST THEM BECAUSE CREDENTIALS AND DIPLOMAS DO NOT NECESSARLY INDICATE A GOOD MAN.
SUCH IS LIFE YA TAKES YOUR CHANCES.

( SKULLS UNLIMITED ) IN OKLAHOMA CITY HAS EXAMPLES OF SEA COW AND MANATEE AND OTHER SKELETIONS (ALL LEGAL} THEY ARE A GOOD REFRENCE
, THEY USE THEM TO MAKE GOOD REPLICAS TO SELL. THE OWNER WOULD KNOW HOW TO ID THE BONES IN THE SKELETON BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE COULD TELL MUCH LOOKING AT A MANDAU HANDLE.? I WILL HAVE A TALK WITH HIM WHEN I GO OVER FOR A VISIT NEXT TIME. YOU CAN GOOGLE SKULLS UNLIMITED FOR A LOOK AT HIS CATALOG ON LINE IF INTERESTED.

A SPECIALIST IN SEA COW WOULD BE ONE STUDYING THE CLASS SIRENIA TO WHICH IT BELONGS ALONG WITH THE MANATEE. THE STUDY OF WHALES (CETACIANS) MAY OVERLAP SO SPECIALISTS SHOULD BE OUT THERE ESPECIALLY DUE TO THE INTREST IN THE AMERICAN MANATEE.

1st July 2011, 10:21 PM	#22
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IT IS LIKEY THERE ARE NO CITES EMPLOYEES IN THE WORLD WHO COULD IDENTIFY A MANDAU HANDLE MADE OF SEA COW BONE AND LIKELY NONE WHO COULD EVEN IDENTIFY A COMPLETE SKULL. I WOULD THINK A LARGE RIB BONE WHERE IT CONNECTS TO THE SPINE WOULD BE OF THE RIGHT SHAPE AND SIZE FOR A MANDAU HANDLE. I COULD ID A COMPLETE SKULL BUT NOT A PIECE OF CARVED BONE, I CAN ALSO ID HUMAN BONE IF THERE IS ENOUGH OF ITS ORIGINAL SHAPE REMAINING BUT A SMALL CARVED FRAGMENT ONLY CAN BE DONE IN A LAB EQUIPPED TO DO SO. SO AS LONG AS SEA COW OR ANY OTHER FORBIDDEN ITEM IS NOT MENTIONED IT SHOUILD PASS WITH NO PROBLEMS. I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED IN SOME COUNTRIES WITH THEFT BY POSTAL EMPLOYEES OR CUSTONS AGENTS. THE PROBLEM IS ALL PEOPLE WORKING IN THESE TYPE JOBS ARE TRAINED TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE GENERAL POPULATION AS A GUILTY SUBSPECIES AND THE ENEMY. UNFORTUNATELY SOME PEOPLE DO FIT THIS TYPE BUT MOST DO NOT. THIS USED NOT TO BE THE CASE AS THEY WERE JUST TRAINED TO UPHOLD THE LAWS AND SERVE THE PEOPLE BY UPHOLDING THOSE LAWS. IF A PERSON STOPPED ALONGSIDE THE ROAD AND TOOK SOME FEATHERS FROM A DEAD BIRD THAT HAPPENED TO BE AN EAGLE IN THE OLD DAYS IF A WARDEN SAW THIS HE WOULD CONFISCATE THE BIRD WARN THE PERSON ASSUMING HE WAS NOT A POACHER BUT IGNORANT OF THE LAW AND THAT WOULD LIKELY BE THE END OF IT. TODAY THE PERSON WOULD BE PROSECUTED AND FINED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW AND WOULD LIKELY SPEND MORE TIME IN PRISON THAN A MURDER. NOT BECAUSE THEY REALLY BELIEVED HE WAS A PROFESSIONAL EAGLE POACHER OR TO SERVE THE LAW JUSTLY BUT TO MAKE AN EXTREME EXAMPLE AND SET A PRECIDENT FOR FUTURE CASES. IN THEIR DEFENSE MOST AGENTS ARE NOT LIKE THIS EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE OFTEN EDUCATED TO BE. BUT THERE ARE AGENTS OUT THERE WHO ARE BAD APPLES AND LIKE TO USE THEIR POWER TO CAUSE PEOPLE GREIF AND IF YOU RUN AFOUL OF ONE YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED GUILTY AND BAD NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR DO SO EXPECT NO MERCY. I WORKED WITH THE CURATORS OF A NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM IN HOUSTON TEXAS AND FOUND ALL OF THEM TO BE GOOD PEOPLE AND FAIR AND REASONABLE BUT THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. I SENT AN ARTEFACT TO A LOCAL EXPERT AT A LOCAL COLLEGE FOR HIM TO GIVE AN OPINION ON. THE FELLOW I SENT IT WITH CAME BACK AND SAID IT WAS AN ATAL ATAL HANDLE OVER 10 THOUSAND YEARS OLD AND WAS MADE OF HUMAN BONE SO THE PROFESSOR HAD CONFISCATED IT AS PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE HUMAN REMAINS. IF ASKED I WOULD HAVE GLADELY DONATED IT TO THE UNIVERSITY COLLECTION BUT WHEN TREATED LIKE A LOOTER ALTHOUGH IT WAS A SURFACE FIND IN A RIVER AND WOULD HAVE BEEN DESTROYED SOON HAD I NOT FOUND IT. SO GET TO KNOW PEOPLE BEFORE YOU TRUST THEM BECAUSE CREDENTIALS AND DIPLOMAS DO NOT NECESSARLY INDICATE A GOOD MAN. SUCH IS LIFE YA TAKES YOUR CHANCES. ( SKULLS UNLIMITED ) IN OKLAHOMA CITY HAS EXAMPLES OF SEA COW AND MANATEE AND OTHER SKELETIONS (ALL LEGAL} THEY ARE A GOOD REFRENCE , THEY USE THEM TO MAKE GOOD REPLICAS TO SELL. THE OWNER WOULD KNOW HOW TO ID THE BONES IN THE SKELETON BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE COULD TELL MUCH LOOKING AT A MANDAU HANDLE.? I WILL HAVE A TALK WITH HIM WHEN I GO OVER FOR A VISIT NEXT TIME. YOU CAN GOOGLE SKULLS UNLIMITED FOR A LOOK AT HIS CATALOG ON LINE IF INTERESTED. A SPECIALIST IN SEA COW WOULD BE ONE STUDYING THE CLASS SIRENIA TO WHICH IT BELONGS ALONG WITH THE MANATEE. THE STUDY OF WHALES (CETACIANS) MAY OVERLAP SO SPECIALISTS SHOULD BE OUT THERE ESPECIALLY DUE TO THE INTREST IN THE AMERICAN MANATEE. Last edited by VANDOO; 2nd July 2011 at 02:03 AM.