There are reports from Chinese contacts as early as th 14th and 15th century that speak of demon hilted daggers. Whether or not these were actually meant to be raksasa we will probably never know. I am not sure how far back the floral figure goes. As with all writings on keris i think we can only look to Kerner as a pointer, not the final word on the subject.
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Originally Posted by BluErf
As for the floral motifs being embellishments, I thought it is no longer mere embellishment when it replaces vital features such as the eyes, nose, mouth, arms.
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Yes, i would agree, it is no longer an embellisment at that point, it is a form.
What do you make of hilts where there is much floral embellishment, but the face, eyes, nose and all is clearly delineated. These hilts are obviously not trying to hide the fact that the hilt is a figure, but still uses great amounts of floral embellishment that is typical to that area.