If I might refer back to something you mentioned Alan
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I can see more than just two sources for keris hilt origin. There are the giants, the ogres, the spirits, the demons, the deities, the wayang characters, and perhaps even the ancestors. Then there are the purely vegetable forms and purely animal and bird forms. There are also the rarest of the rare:- the naturally occurring forms that are adapted for use as keris hilts. There are many sources for keris hilt motifs.
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What do you mean by
the naturally occurring hilt forms that are adapted for use as a keris hilt? Do you have any examples that you could show?
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