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A. G. Maisey · 15th May 2011, 04:12 AM

Another good example Semar.

Dhapur carubuk is listed in the Surakarta Pakem with 7 luk, kembang kacang, jalen, lambe gajah, greneng, sraweyan.

This pakem does not list kebo carubuk.

Harsrinuksmo illustrates a keris with the same features that he identifies as carubuk, but does not list kebo carubuk.

Take your keris to 100 different people in 100 different locations in Jawa, and you could well get 100 different answers.

Take it back to this same man who has told you it is kebo carubuk, in ten years time, and you could well get a different answer.

I've been down this road, and I know it well.

Ask me what dhapur it is and I'll give you a different answer again:-

mahesa giri luk pitu

Just invented that dhapur --- the same as people in Jawa do when they don't know the answer and don't want to admit it.

15th May 2011, 04:12 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,704	Another good example Semar. Dhapur carubuk is listed in the Surakarta Pakem with 7 luk, kembang kacang, jalen, lambe gajah, greneng, sraweyan. This pakem does not list kebo carubuk. Harsrinuksmo illustrates a keris with the same features that he identifies as carubuk, but does not list kebo carubuk. Take your keris to 100 different people in 100 different locations in Jawa, and you could well get 100 different answers. Take it back to this same man who has told you it is kebo carubuk, in ten years time, and you could well get a different answer. I've been down this road, and I know it well. Ask me what dhapur it is and I'll give you a different answer again:- mahesa giri luk pitu Just invented that dhapur --- the same as people in Jawa do when they don't know the answer and don't want to admit it.