Both of them seem to be very fine pieces, Cornelis - thank you for sharing!
I am tempted to assign a date of ca. 1530 to the first because of its thickly ribbed pommel. Those ribs closely correspond to those found on both contemporary armor and barrels.
Is it posible to take a few good details of the brass grip showing its line decoration? That would be great.
You sure are one very lucky guy to get those, congratulations.
All the best,
Michael
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