Hi All,
Sorry for the late response, things have been very busy. Thanks for all the input, I had never thought of a templar/masonic connection to any of the symbols or mottos. That is something I will try to look into in the future.
Fernando, I do think my second sword is 16th maybe early 17th century. The quillions are probably not original. I also believe you are correct with the v instead of the u. As mentioned it is in storage right now, but I will bring it out in the next couple months to check it and will take photo's then.
Thanks again to every one for the great discussion.
All the Best.
Jeff
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