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midelburgo · 14th July 2022, 01:42 PM

Hello Fernando.
If the "orejas" applied to the pas d'ane is not in "Nueva Ciencia" I have no idea where I read it.
Towards 2005 I read a number of Destreza manuals. It is not in Rada either so far. And Brea (1804) calls them "patillas".
I have been checking the Ordenanzas (1728, 1738, 1762, 1768) and it is not in there. They use "barretas".

Morla (Tratado de Artilleria, second volume, 1817 edition; pages 119-137 deals with swords and sword making, very informative chapter. Toledo factory depended on the Artillery corps) calls them "guardamonte", but that is the whole piece.

Ramirez de Arellano 1767, on Cavalry and Dragoons describes their swords without mentioning these parts.

I have a heavy Main Gauche with a wavy blade, I will check it later maybe its blade comes from a sword as one of the above.

PS. Now I notice. In the drawing of the two fencers fom Thomas Luis, they do not put any finger over the cross (you also do not on the first post). I find taking a cavalry 1728 without passing two fingers over the cross as problematic.

I supose you know about these people:
http://ageaeditora.com/en/livros/

They call the pas d'ane, anéis in Portuguese.
http://ageaeditora.com/en/nomes-partes-da-espada/

14th July 2022, 01:42 PM	#21
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 248	Hello Fernando. If the "orejas" applied to the pas d'ane is not in "Nueva Ciencia" I have no idea where I read it. Towards 2005 I read a number of Destreza manuals. It is not in Rada either so far. And Brea (1804) calls them "patillas". I have been checking the Ordenanzas (1728, 1738, 1762, 1768) and it is not in there. They use "barretas". Morla (Tratado de Artilleria, second volume, 1817 edition; pages 119-137 deals with swords and sword making, very informative chapter. Toledo factory depended on the Artillery corps) calls them "guardamonte", but that is the whole piece. Ramirez de Arellano 1767, on Cavalry and Dragoons describes their swords without mentioning these parts. I have a heavy Main Gauche with a wavy blade, I will check it later maybe its blade comes from a sword as one of the above. PS. Now I notice. In the drawing of the two fencers fom Thomas Luis, they do not put any finger over the cross (you also do not on the first post). I find taking a cavalry 1728 without passing two fingers over the cross as problematic. I supose you know about these people: http://ageaeditora.com/en/livros/ They call the pas d'ane, anéis in Portuguese. http://ageaeditora.com/en/nomes-partes-da-espada/ Attached Images Last edited by midelburgo; 15th July 2022 at 10:11 AM.