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VANDOO · 28th April 2007, 12:26 AM

MOST OF THE REALLY STRANGE WEAPONS I HAVE SEEN HAVE CAME FROM THAT AREA. THE MONSTER HEAD BOLO'S COME IN MANY FORMS, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY INTERESTING KAMPILIANS SOME VERY FLAMBOYANT PIRAS AS WELL. THE EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN WITH THE INTERLOCKING TURTLE SHELL HAVE BEEN MONSTER HEAD FORMS WHICH I AM ASSUMEING ARE VISAYAN AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM MADE ON MINDANAO. I AM SURE KRIS, BARONG, KAMPILIANS, PANABAS AND OTHER TYPICAL MORO FORMS OF WEAPONS HAVE CONTINUED PRODUCTION AFTER WW2 AND ARE STILL BEING PRODUCED IN MINDANAO TODAY. MINDANO SEEMS TO KEEP TO THE TRADITIONAL MORO FORMS OF CARVEING, INLAY (MOP) AND CONSTRUCTION. PANAY SEEMS TO HAVE EXPERIMENTED MORE AND HAS MODIFIED LOTS OF THEIR TRADITIONAL FORMS AS WELL AS INCORPORATING FEATURES AND TYPES FROM OTHER CULTURES AND AREAS.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WEAPONS IN THE VISAYAN ISLANDS I HAVE BOUGHT A FEW MORE RECENT ITEMS SAID TO BE MADE ON PANAY. I ASSUME A LOT OF THE ISLANDS HAVE SENT MANY ITEMS TO MANILA TO SELL AND I AM SURE ITEMS ARE ALSO PRODUCED ON LUZON. UNFORTUNATELY THE FEW REFRENCES I HAVE MOSTLY DEAL WITH THE MORO WEAPONS SO A GOOD RESOURCE FOR THE HISTORY OF THE OTHER ISLANDS AND PEOPLES AND THE MANY FORMS OF WEAPONS THEY HAVE PRODUCED WOULD BE A VALUABLE REFRENCE.

I AM OF THE OLD SCHOOL OF THOUGHT AS FAR AS FIGURING OUT THE HISTORY OR ORIGINS OF A ITEM. MANY ITEMS ARE ONE OF A KIND AND MAY HAVE BEEN MADE UP BY A INDIVIDUAL NOT FOLLOWING HIS SOCIETYS TRADITION OR HIS INTREPRETATION OF SOME SWORD HE HAS SEEN OR PERHAPS A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL TYPES USING THE FEATURES HE LIKED MOST. IMAGINATION CAN PLAY A PART EVEN IN TRIBAL WEAPONS UNLESS THE LAWS AND TABOOS PREVENT IT. SO THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS BASED ON YEARS OF COLLECTING AND LOOKING AT WEAPONS NOT A PROFESSIONAL OPINION BASED ONLY ON REFRENCES WRITTEN BY THE EXPERTS. WHERE I DON'T HAVE SUCH REFRENCES OR THEY DON'T EXIST I JUST FIGURE IT OUT AS BEST I CAN AND PUT OUT THE POSSIBILITYS AND MY OPINION.

SO 1. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE INTERLOCKED TURTLE SHELL USED ON ANY WEAPONS OTHER THAN VISAYAN

2. I HAVE ONLY SEEN THAT FORM OF KAMPILIAN TIP ON BAGABO, TIBOLI AND VISIAN KAMPILIANS.

3. THE GAURD DOSEN'T LOOK LIKE MORO, TIBOLI OR BAGOBO WORK.

4. I HAVE SEEN THE LARGE TIGER BELLS ON TWO OTHER KAMPILIANS WHICH WERE MORO AND BAGOBO BUT THEY LOOKED LIKE LATER ADD ON'S TO ME. THE KAMPILIAN BEING DISCUSSED HERE LOOKS TO HAVE BEEN MADE FOR SOMETHING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE GAURD BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BELLS ORIGINALLY. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS ATTACHING THEM AND SEE IF IT LOOKS OLD AND ORIGINAL TO THE SWORD.

IN THE END ALL I CAN GIVE IS CONJECTURE

TO TRY AND FIND A LOST HISTORY OR PROVENENCE IS USUALLY IMPOSIBLE.

28th April 2007, 12:26 AM	#17
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MOST OF THE REALLY STRANGE WEAPONS I HAVE SEEN HAVE CAME FROM THAT AREA. THE MONSTER HEAD BOLO'S COME IN MANY FORMS, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY INTERESTING KAMPILIANS SOME VERY FLAMBOYANT PIRAS AS WELL. THE EXAMPLES I HAVE SEEN WITH THE INTERLOCKING TURTLE SHELL HAVE BEEN MONSTER HEAD FORMS WHICH I AM ASSUMEING ARE VISAYAN AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM MADE ON MINDANAO. I AM SURE KRIS, BARONG, KAMPILIANS, PANABAS AND OTHER TYPICAL MORO FORMS OF WEAPONS HAVE CONTINUED PRODUCTION AFTER WW2 AND ARE STILL BEING PRODUCED IN MINDANAO TODAY. MINDANO SEEMS TO KEEP TO THE TRADITIONAL MORO FORMS OF CARVEING, INLAY (MOP) AND CONSTRUCTION. PANAY SEEMS TO HAVE EXPERIMENTED MORE AND HAS MODIFIED LOTS OF THEIR TRADITIONAL FORMS AS WELL AS INCORPORATING FEATURES AND TYPES FROM OTHER CULTURES AND AREAS. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF WEAPONS IN THE VISAYAN ISLANDS I HAVE BOUGHT A FEW MORE RECENT ITEMS SAID TO BE MADE ON PANAY. I ASSUME A LOT OF THE ISLANDS HAVE SENT MANY ITEMS TO MANILA TO SELL AND I AM SURE ITEMS ARE ALSO PRODUCED ON LUZON. UNFORTUNATELY THE FEW REFRENCES I HAVE MOSTLY DEAL WITH THE MORO WEAPONS SO A GOOD RESOURCE FOR THE HISTORY OF THE OTHER ISLANDS AND PEOPLES AND THE MANY FORMS OF WEAPONS THEY HAVE PRODUCED WOULD BE A VALUABLE REFRENCE. I AM OF THE OLD SCHOOL OF THOUGHT AS FAR AS FIGURING OUT THE HISTORY OR ORIGINS OF A ITEM. MANY ITEMS ARE ONE OF A KIND AND MAY HAVE BEEN MADE UP BY A INDIVIDUAL NOT FOLLOWING HIS SOCIETYS TRADITION OR HIS INTREPRETATION OF SOME SWORD HE HAS SEEN OR PERHAPS A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL TYPES USING THE FEATURES HE LIKED MOST. IMAGINATION CAN PLAY A PART EVEN IN TRIBAL WEAPONS UNLESS THE LAWS AND TABOOS PREVENT IT. SO THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS BASED ON YEARS OF COLLECTING AND LOOKING AT WEAPONS NOT A PROFESSIONAL OPINION BASED ONLY ON REFRENCES WRITTEN BY THE EXPERTS. WHERE I DON'T HAVE SUCH REFRENCES OR THEY DON'T EXIST I JUST FIGURE IT OUT AS BEST I CAN AND PUT OUT THE POSSIBILITYS AND MY OPINION. SO 1. I HAVEN'T SEEN THE INTERLOCKED TURTLE SHELL USED ON ANY WEAPONS OTHER THAN VISAYAN 2. I HAVE ONLY SEEN THAT FORM OF KAMPILIAN TIP ON BAGABO, TIBOLI AND VISIAN KAMPILIANS. 3. THE GAURD DOSEN'T LOOK LIKE MORO, TIBOLI OR BAGOBO WORK. 4. I HAVE SEEN THE LARGE TIGER BELLS ON TWO OTHER KAMPILIANS WHICH WERE MORO AND BAGOBO BUT THEY LOOKED LIKE LATER ADD ON'S TO ME. THE KAMPILIAN BEING DISCUSSED HERE LOOKS TO HAVE BEEN MADE FOR SOMETHING TO BE ATTACHED TO THE GAURD BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN BELLS ORIGINALLY. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS ATTACHING THEM AND SEE IF IT LOOKS OLD AND ORIGINAL TO THE SWORD. IN THE END ALL I CAN GIVE IS CONJECTURE TO TRY AND FIND A LOST HISTORY OR PROVENENCE IS USUALLY IMPOSIBLE. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 28th April 2007 at 04:10 AM.