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Originally Posted by scratch
I also find the form of luk blade pleasing. The well defined centre ridge seems uncommon.
I shall take the abscence of responces to indicate that both these blades are indeed of Bali origin and pre 1900s.
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Dear Daniel,
IMHO, not all kerises with Javanese influence are Javanese kerises. (Javanese influence can be seen from "dha" form on the greneng part, or tail part of the keris). Why Javanese influence? This is a matter of the past (his)tory...
On keris culture in Lombok, Mr Lalu Djelenga -- a Lombok nobleman -- wrote in his book, "Keris di Lombok". --- "in the framework of uniting Nusantara under Kingdom of Majapahit (in Jawa), an expedition was sent to the East, led by Mpu (Wrehat)nala. That was -- according to Djelenga -- about 1343 M, including to Lombok. And then came the later expedition from Majapahit kingdom led by Mahapatih (Chief Minister) of Gajah Mada on 1353. Lombok was part of Majapahit since then.
Javanese influence, not only seen until now in keris culture, but also -- according to Mr Djelenga -- in Sasak culture. Sasak scripture, derived from Jawa scripture -- but only remain 18 characters, compared to 20 characters in Javanese alphabet. And the Sasak scripture of alphabet, also called by Lombok people as "Jejawan". You will see also, the Javanese name in Lombok villages and town like in Java Island, such as Kediri (like in East Java), or Kuripan, Surabaya, Wanasaba and even the capital of Lombok, Mataram -- like the name of Javanese kingdom in the 17th century and above...
These pics below, are a Javanese blade. Or it is possible too, a Southern Sumatran blade with javanese influence (seen from the 'dha' form of greneng), also with "ada-ada" in the center of the blade...
GANJAWULUNG