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Gustav · 2nd January 2023, 09:17 PM

Alan, thank you for your response again.

None of these Keris I posted are from Pakualaman to my current knowledge, except #28.

The Keris from #28, by Karyocurigo I, is in Museum Bronbeek, Netherlands.

In Groneman's plates from van Duuren's "The Javanese Keris", except for the five straight blades commissioned by Dr. Heger, Keris by Karyodikromo are, starting from p. 246 Fig. 11a, 12, 16a, 18, 19a. Starting from p. 264, Fig. 1, 3, 4. The colour photo on p. 233 is another Keris by Karyodikromo, this one from Groneman's heirs. They all are Keris Luk.

I happen to own two Keris Luk by Karyodikromo, so I have an idea how they are in the real life.

Regarding gold work. In #12 you wrote: The motifs used in the gold work are motifs I have not seen in Central Javanese kinatah work.

After your best guess for the original Keris was South Sumatra, I have presented three other Javanese Keris, which share some of the motifs seen on original Keris. Besides gold work three of the four are very close in execution of the Sogokan, which also isn't South Sumatran style. I think, my intent should be quite clear.

2nd January 2023, 09:17 PM	#30
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,196	Alan, thank you for your response again. None of these Keris I posted are from Pakualaman to my current knowledge, except #28. The Keris from #28, by Karyocurigo I, is in Museum Bronbeek, Netherlands. In Groneman's plates from van Duuren's "The Javanese Keris", except for the five straight blades commissioned by Dr. Heger, Keris by Karyodikromo are, starting from p. 246 Fig. 11a, 12, 16a, 18, 19a. Starting from p. 264, Fig. 1, 3, 4. The colour photo on p. 233 is another Keris by Karyodikromo, this one from Groneman's heirs. They all are Keris Luk. I happen to own two Keris Luk by Karyodikromo, so I have an idea how they are in the real life. Regarding gold work. In #12 you wrote: The motifs used in the gold work are motifs I have not seen in Central Javanese kinatah work. After your best guess for the original Keris was South Sumatra, I have presented three other Javanese Keris, which share some of the motifs seen on original Keris. Besides gold work three of the four are very close in execution of the Sogokan, which also isn't South Sumatran style. I think, my intent should be quite clear. Last edited by Gustav; 2nd January 2023 at 10:38 PM.