Jean, in a picture those typical Madura ones you have shown may seem similar to the #5 I posted a pic of, but I assure you, in the hand there is not the smallest resemblance. I'm quite familiar with the Madura ones, I have a number of these, and have had many more, they're common, but the #5 I posted a photo of is the only example of this type I have ever owned, and it is very, very different to the Maduras.
Yes, the pendok on #5 is certainly not Madura, I don't know where its from, but a number of people have had the opinion that it is Banyumas, personally, to me, it looks more North Coast, that's just going on the motif.
Frankly, I'm not much interested in where it comes from, this obsession with identification and classification is certainly a part of mainstream collecting, but I have not thought of myself as a collector for a very long time. I used to be, but I've moved on.
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