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VANDOO · 4th March 2014, 08:10 PM

I GOT OFF ON THIS TOPIC ON ANOTHER POST AND EXPRESSED MY VIEWS THERE BUT DECIDED IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN ITS OWN POST. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE OPINIONS OF OTHER MEMBERS ON THIS TOPIC. I KNOW MOST OF US PREFER THE OLD WEAPONS FROM THE PERIOD WHERE THEY WERE IN USE FOR WAR OR HEADHUNTING. THEY PLAYED AN IMPORTANT PART IN THE SOCIETYS OF THOSE TIMES AND TO US THOSE ROUGH TIMES ARE CONSIDERED MORE ROMATIC AND AN AGE OF ADVENTURE. THE MORE RECENT ITEMS DO HAVE THEIR PLACE IN THE HISTORY OF THESE SOCIETYS TODAY SO SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED AS UNWORTHY. THEY DO HAVE A PLACE IN OUR STUDY OF THESE ITEMS AND THEIR CONTINUING EVOLUTION. SOME OF MY VIEWS ARE BELOW FOR YOUR COMMENTS SO PLEASE EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS AND ADD ANY OF YOUR THOUGHTS.

THE PROBLEMS IN RECENT ETHINOGRAPHIC WEAPONS PRODUCTION IS OFTEN NOT THE WORKMANSHIP BUT WHO DOES THE WORK AND WHERE IT IS DONE. FOR INSTANCE A JAPANESE KATANA MADE IN CHINA IS NOT A JAPANESE SWORD AND LEAVES OUT SOME IMPORTANT DETAILS IN ITS MANUFACTURE. A MORO SWORD MADE TODAY IN MINDANAO BY PHILIPPINOS WOULD BE PREFERRABLE TO ONE MADE IN BALI OR CHINA. THE ONE MADE IN BALI OR CHINA MIGHT BE MORE ATTRACTIVE AND WELL CARVED BUT IT CANCELES OUT ALL THE ETHINOGRAPHIC ORIGIN AND THROWS SUCH ITEMS INTO LIMBO. A NATIVE AMERICAN FEATHER HEADRESS, PIPE OR WAR CLUB MADE IN CHINA, INDIA, TAIWAN ,ECT WOULD ALSO GO INTO A LIMBO OR NON CULTURAL CONTEXT. TO COPY A FORM AS WE SEE IT WITHOUT LEARNING THE ORIGINAL TECKNIQUES OF THE ORIGINAL CULTURE PRODUCING IT DOES NOT CREATE A REPLICA BUT A FACIMILTY OF THE ITEM. THE FRANKLIN MINT PRODUCTIONS COME TO MIND WHERE ARE THEY MADE AND BY WHO?. IS THEIR ANY ETHINOGRAPHIC CONNECTION AT ALL?
THIS IS NOT CRITICISM OF THESE ITEMS BUT THOUGHTS I OFTEN HAVE WHEN SEEING THE VARIATIONS IN THE NEWER SWORDS. I HAVE SOME IN MY COLLECTION AND OFTEN WONDER WERE THEY MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES OR ELSWHERE. AND IF IN THE PHILIPPINES WERE THEY MADE BY MOROS?
SO IF I LIKE IT AND THE PRICE IS RIGHT I OFTEN BUY IT ANYWAY

4th March 2014, 08:10 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	VIEWS SOUGHT ON MODERN ETHNOGRAPHIC WEAPONS I GOT OFF ON THIS TOPIC ON ANOTHER POST AND EXPRESSED MY VIEWS THERE BUT DECIDED IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN ITS OWN POST. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE OPINIONS OF OTHER MEMBERS ON THIS TOPIC. I KNOW MOST OF US PREFER THE OLD WEAPONS FROM THE PERIOD WHERE THEY WERE IN USE FOR WAR OR HEADHUNTING. THEY PLAYED AN IMPORTANT PART IN THE SOCIETYS OF THOSE TIMES AND TO US THOSE ROUGH TIMES ARE CONSIDERED MORE ROMATIC AND AN AGE OF ADVENTURE. THE MORE RECENT ITEMS DO HAVE THEIR PLACE IN THE HISTORY OF THESE SOCIETYS TODAY SO SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED AS UNWORTHY. THEY DO HAVE A PLACE IN OUR STUDY OF THESE ITEMS AND THEIR CONTINUING EVOLUTION. SOME OF MY VIEWS ARE BELOW FOR YOUR COMMENTS SO PLEASE EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS AND ADD ANY OF YOUR THOUGHTS. THE PROBLEMS IN RECENT ETHINOGRAPHIC WEAPONS PRODUCTION IS OFTEN NOT THE WORKMANSHIP BUT WHO DOES THE WORK AND WHERE IT IS DONE. FOR INSTANCE A JAPANESE KATANA MADE IN CHINA IS NOT A JAPANESE SWORD AND LEAVES OUT SOME IMPORTANT DETAILS IN ITS MANUFACTURE. A MORO SWORD MADE TODAY IN MINDANAO BY PHILIPPINOS WOULD BE PREFERRABLE TO ONE MADE IN BALI OR CHINA. THE ONE MADE IN BALI OR CHINA MIGHT BE MORE ATTRACTIVE AND WELL CARVED BUT IT CANCELES OUT ALL THE ETHINOGRAPHIC ORIGIN AND THROWS SUCH ITEMS INTO LIMBO. A NATIVE AMERICAN FEATHER HEADRESS, PIPE OR WAR CLUB MADE IN CHINA, INDIA, TAIWAN ,ECT WOULD ALSO GO INTO A LIMBO OR NON CULTURAL CONTEXT. TO COPY A FORM AS WE SEE IT WITHOUT LEARNING THE ORIGINAL TECKNIQUES OF THE ORIGINAL CULTURE PRODUCING IT DOES NOT CREATE A REPLICA BUT A FACIMILTY OF THE ITEM. THE FRANKLIN MINT PRODUCTIONS COME TO MIND WHERE ARE THEY MADE AND BY WHO?. IS THEIR ANY ETHINOGRAPHIC CONNECTION AT ALL? THIS IS NOT CRITICISM OF THESE ITEMS BUT THOUGHTS I OFTEN HAVE WHEN SEEING THE VARIATIONS IN THE NEWER SWORDS. I HAVE SOME IN MY COLLECTION AND OFTEN WONDER WERE THEY MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES OR ELSWHERE. AND IF IN THE PHILIPPINES WERE THEY MADE BY MOROS? SO IF I LIKE IT AND THE PRICE IS RIGHT I OFTEN BUY IT ANYWAY Last edited by VANDOO; 4th March 2014 at 08:23 PM.