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fernando · 19th October 2017, 03:54 PM

Old 13th March 2016, 03:57 PM #273

Posted by:
Jim McDougall
EAA Research Consultant

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66

Hi JK,
I see you have done some most interesting research on this unusual item, and am most curious as well on the Sumerian association. Other than the extremely ancient Mesopotamian civilization , or the Cimmerians who lived much later, I think only of the well known movies of 'Conan the Barbarian'.
While the 'theatrical nature' of this item seems well placed, it does not seem to correspond to props in that film.

The markings are indeed a most interesting mélange of some used in various contexts by German makers of 17th and 18th centuries A.D.
I think the 'anchor' type mark resembles similar seen on blades from Valencia, Spain in the 16th into 17th c. A.D.
The sun and moon were cosmological symbols used on blades in Germany and East Europe in the 17th-18th c. as mentioned.
The stars were added embellishments in these contexts.
The grouping of these symbols, while not particularly well executed, seems most interesting on a theatrical sword as these kinds of details are not usually added.

You noted that this item was added to your collection, may I ask what type of swords or edged weapons do you collect?
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19th October 2017, 03:54 PM	#244
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	Old 13th March 2016, 03:57 PM #273 Posted by: Jim McDougall EAA Research Consultant Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Hi JK, I see you have done some most interesting research on this unusual item, and am most curious as well on the Sumerian association. Other than the extremely ancient Mesopotamian civilization , or the Cimmerians who lived much later, I think only of the well known movies of 'Conan the Barbarian'. While the 'theatrical nature' of this item seems well placed, it does not seem to correspond to props in that film. The markings are indeed a most interesting mélange of some used in various contexts by German makers of 17th and 18th centuries A.D. I think the 'anchor' type mark resembles similar seen on blades from Valencia, Spain in the 16th into 17th c. A.D. The sun and moon were cosmological symbols used on blades in Germany and East Europe in the 17th-18th c. as mentioned. The stars were added embellishments in these contexts. The grouping of these symbols, while not particularly well executed, seems most interesting on a theatrical sword as these kinds of details are not usually added. You noted that this item was added to your collection, may I ask what type of swords or edged weapons do you collect? . Last edited by fernando; 20th October 2017 at 04:36 PM.