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ariel · 15th March 2019, 10:50 PM

The “ Ali/Zulfiqar” saying is attributed directly to Mohammed. As such, it was and is widely used by Shia and Sunni alike. There is no religious divide here.

Implying that this Pala is Balkan and designating it as Shia is a contradiction in terms: Balkan Muslims were and are overwhelmingly Sunni.

Bektashism was rooted among the Janissaries, but those were forcibly disbanded and their remnants were hunted and killed in and after 1826, well before this Pala was created. Bektashi order was banned throughout the entire Ottoman Empire. It gradually got revived somewhat with the advent of Tanzimat era (1839-1876) but their numbers within the Balkan Muslims was negligible. With total abolition of Bektashism by Ataturk in 1925 they moved to Albania and established their headquarters there.
Are we to believe that this Pala was created after that?

We seem to have a lot of questionable arguments here.......

15th March 2019, 10:50 PM	#22
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The “ Ali/Zulfiqar” saying is attributed directly to Mohammed. As such, it was and is widely used by Shia and Sunni alike. There is no religious divide here. Implying that this Pala is Balkan and designating it as Shia is a contradiction in terms: Balkan Muslims were and are overwhelmingly Sunni. Bektashism was rooted among the Janissaries, but those were forcibly disbanded and their remnants were hunted and killed in and after 1826, well before this Pala was created. Bektashi order was banned throughout the entire Ottoman Empire. It gradually got revived somewhat with the advent of Tanzimat era (1839-1876) but their numbers within the Balkan Muslims was negligible. With total abolition of Bektashism by Ataturk in 1925 they moved to Albania and established their headquarters there. Are we to believe that this Pala was created after that? We seem to have a lot of questionable arguments here....... Last edited by ariel; 15th March 2019 at 11:26 PM.