[John]

Terima kasih Marto for the outstanding post and for further enhancing/clearing my understanding especially on the part of Balinese Empus not being part of the kraton system. I didn't know that. In rereading your preceding posts I realised I've missed a few salients points highlighted by you earlier. My apologies. I guess if the official kraton status of those few noted names cannot be disputed, they are Empus. Again you've also highlighted "But it must be noted, that in historic times some people were known as empus who never worked under the aegis of a kraton" which is again noted.

I'm aware of Djeno's descend claim to a line of Empus (if indeed verifiable) but not too sure of the circumstances to his kraton yogyakarta title. My saying so because things appear to be more for commercial reasons these days...