Everyone,
I'm not trying to jack this thread, but I felt compelled to respond to some of LabanTayo's comments below:
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Originally Posted by LabanTayo
so, did the spanish steal filipino techniques, or vice versa?
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The influence was possibly mutual, as is so often the case.
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the malay / indo / philippine archipelego was a blade oriented society before spanish/dutch/portugese/british arrival. the philippines may have adopted some spanish fighting techniques and terminology, but i have never seen a spanish fencer/fighter move like filipino arnisador/fighter.
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Given that there are no surviving schools of Spanish fencing (either civilian or military), I would be most curious to know how many actual "Spanish fencer/fighters" you have "seen".
There are, of course, modern classical fencers who are working on reconstructions of the civilian Spanish school of rapier fencing (the
destreza of Carranza, that is), but that is not a method which was likely to have seen much (if any) use in the Philippines. No, the Spanish soldiers serving there would have made use of a more practical form of cut-and-thrust swordplay, with corresponding weapons like the
bilbo (a type of broadsword with a rapier-like shell hilt). It's also worth noting that British officers observed Pampangan troops in Spanish service equipped with such swords.
As for a possible relationship between the Spanish military
esgrima (fencing) and native Filipino blade methods, the similarities are certainly there. FMA's
redonda resembles the
moulinet (or
molinello) of Western saber work. FMA's "wing block" looks like saber fencing's #1 parry (
prime), while the "dropstick" appears equivalent to parry #2 (
seconde). In FMA, attacks to the leg are met with what European broadsword and military saber men call "slipping" or "shifting the leg". In both FMA and European cut-and-thrust fencing, cuts are categorized by angles--vertical, horizontal, and diagonal. Are these things the result of cross-cultural influence, or parallel evolution?
As for "terminology", it's interesting to note that about 65 percent of the technical terms used in
all eskrima styles are Spanish-derived, which seems somewhat odd when one considers that most Filipinos do not speak Spanish.
Then again, perhaps it's not so odd after all--Romy Macapagal, the current archivist for Kalis Ilustrisimo, has declared that Kalis Ilustrisimo is a full 40% Spanish-derived.
And other FMAists, like Dr. Ned Nepangue and Celestino Macachor, are postulating new theories concerning the origins of eskrima and arnis--the crux of their argument is that they are a result of a synthesis of Spanish military fencing, and native blade arts. The main goal for creating this hybrid form was to help defend the Spanish-occupied areas against Moro piratical incursions.
FWIW.
Best,
R C