Ethnographic Arms & Armour - View Single Post - Looking for information on Andres Martinez of Toledo

fernando · 23rd March 2023, 05:30 PM

Welcome to the forum, Michael

. A bit confusing indeed. in Ramiro Larrañaga's work he extends this smiths name to ANDRÉS MARTINEZ DE GARRATE. He and his brother Gabriel (36) are sons of ZABALA. It could be that their father was JUAN MARTINEZ DE GARATA, ZABALA (46). We could consider that he is called el viejo (elder) by Palomares, to help distinguish him from JUAN MARTINEZ el mozo (younger) (42) in the table by their age, but not because they were familly.
Note that this is not 100% exact. It is known that the Palomares nomina contains a few inconsistencies. One thing we know as certain is that of JUAN MARTINEZ, that was active at an early stage, as listed in Lhermite's work (end XVI century), whose marks he describes are precisely the ones shown nowadays out there. Yet in Palomares nomina we can find not right name neither his full marks, which i suspect is listed in the table as JUAN MARTIN (39).
Confusing indeed

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Other members will know more about this riddle.

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23rd March 2023, 05:30 PM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Welcome to the forum, Michael . A bit confusing indeed. in Ramiro Larrañaga's work he extends this smiths name to ANDRÉS MARTINEZ DE GARRATE. He and his brother Gabriel (36) are sons of ZABALA. It could be that their father was JUAN MARTINEZ DE GARATA, ZABALA (46). We could consider that he is called el viejo (elder) by Palomares, to help distinguish him from JUAN MARTINEZ el mozo (younger) (42) in the table by their age, but not because they were familly. Note that this is not 100% exact. It is known that the Palomares nomina contains a few inconsistencies. One thing we know as certain is that of JUAN MARTINEZ, that was active at an early stage, as listed in Lhermite's work (end XVI century), whose marks he describes are precisely the ones shown nowadays out there. Yet in Palomares nomina we can find not right name neither his full marks, which i suspect is listed in the table as JUAN MARTIN (39). Confusing indeed . Other members will know more about this riddle. . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 23rd March 2023 at 06:22 PM.