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fernando · 18th October 2017, 07:04 PM

Old 13th December 2007, 10:41 PM

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fernando
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I have these very old lances, supposedly one from the XVI and other from the XVII centuries.
The older one would be for hunting and the "newer" one for defence ... with butt spike and all that.
Both appear to have been made by regional smiths.
The defence one has on both blade sides three times the letter S deeply stroke. I don't think is a maker's mark, with all that exuberance. Besides, local smiths in that time were not allowed to make arms for their own trade, but only by order of some important client. So in my humble view, the marks are either the family or heraldic initials of some mannor house or, and here goes my fantasy, some kind of mystic mighty symbol.
The hunting lance has no marks, but i take this chance to show both pieces, as both are kept close, and also because i am pleased to have these two specimens in my little collection
Sorry for the abuse
Fernando

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18th October 2017, 07:04 PM	#96
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,637	Fantasy with the "S" Old 13th December 2007, 10:41 PM Posted by: fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal I have these very old lances, supposedly one from the XVI and other from the XVII centuries. The older one would be for hunting and the "newer" one for defence ... with butt spike and all that. Both appear to have been made by regional smiths. The defence one has on both blade sides three times the letter S deeply stroke. I don't think is a maker's mark, with all that exuberance. Besides, local smiths in that time were not allowed to make arms for their own trade, but only by order of some important client. So in my humble view, the marks are either the family or heraldic initials of some mannor house or, and here goes my fantasy, some kind of mystic mighty symbol. The hunting lance has no marks, but i take this chance to show both pieces, as both are kept close, and also because i am pleased to have these two specimens in my little collection Sorry for the abuse Fernando (missing attachments) . Last edited by fernando; 21st October 2017 at 06:11 PM.