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Originally Posted by cornelistromp
Palomares is a good starting point, but it must be remembered that the Toledo blacksmiths use multiple marks while Palomares has only indicated one.
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True in a way, Japer ... but i realize the majority of the smiths only used one mark, that of their personal seal; otherwise period chroniclars like Jehan Lhermite would have related such profusion. Instead, he only mentions as using various marks one or two smiths, the more profuse being Juan Martinez. But we also know that, those with more than one mark, often used secondary ones as either prestige symbols (Espadero del Rey), or decoration signs, that not their personal seals. Juan del Rey is also said to have used a 'few' marks but then again, the perrillo was more of a 'quality' contrast and apparently there is no record of what the others may have been. Curiously Lhermite doesn't mention this famous master, probably because he was still working in Zaragossa by the time the Flemish passed by Toledo, a vital detail not well distinguished by Palomares
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Originally Posted by cornelistromp
Furthermore there has no proper investigation done by Palomares. There is no indication when the blacksmiths have worked in Toledo,
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As already approched and according to specialists in this subject, Palomares, a Toledan native, had a tendency to list smiths as having 'also' worked elsewhere, when in fact they 'first' worked elsewhere (their home towns) and only after went to Toledo.
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Originally Posted by cornelistromp
... He has only listed 5 names with a year...
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Another of his imprecisions.
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Originally Posted by cornelistromp
... there are 99 marks and only 94 names,..
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Yes, he saw the 5 punzones in the Toledo archives but never found out whom they belonged to. Eventually mark #95 contains a fleur-de-liz and could (could) well be, not a personal mark but, an additional contrast mark belonging to an Espadero del Rey.
Mark #99 could (could) be that from whom Lhermite calls Machin, who recorded that he used an aguililla (small eagle) as his mark.
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Originally Posted by cornelistromp
... multiple times; el viejo, the elderly, el mojo, the younger, son and brother are used...
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This was in fact a current use in tat period, to distinguish each one of the family, as so often the son was given the name of his father ... and this from his grandfather.
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Originally Posted by cornelistromp
A blacksmith who worked outside Toledo is also mentioned, labro tambien en Gordova and the same mark is given to two persons 65 and 66 ?? ...
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They are quoted to have the 'same' mark as the previous one as, according to regulations, they could use the mark and privileges of their fathers.
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Originally Posted by cornelistromp
... nr 13 nr 15 and nr 23 have only the Toledo town mark as their mark, this is probably a mistake ?...
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Historians mention that some smiths opted by only using the Toledo mark ... just as others used their personal mark and not the Toledo contrast.
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