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VANDOO · 9th December 2011, 09:09 PM

A RECENT POST OF A MORO KRIS IN THE ETHINOGRAPHIC FORUM BROUGHT UP THIS QUESTION IT SHOWS HANDLES I MORE CLOSELY ASSOCIATE WITH MALAY OR INDONESIAN FORMS.
IS THERE ANY STUDY DONE ON THE CRONOLOGICAL EVEOLUTION OF THE VARIOUS FORMS OF KERIS HANDLES IN DIFFERENT AREAS.? IF SO WHICH FORMS ARE THE OLDEST. THE MOST COMMON FORM I HAVE SEEN IS THE FORM IN THIS PICTURE.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A CROSSOVER FORM OF THE JAWA DEMAM KERIS HANDLE FOUND ON SOME MORO KRIS. WAS THE EARLY MORO KRIS INFLUENCED BY KERIS HANDLE AND BLADE FORMS AND THE MORE USUAL MORO FORMS EVOLVED LATER? OR WERE THE EARLY KRIS MADE MORE LIKE THE MALAY AND INDONESIAN KERIS. I THINK THE MORO KRIS DEFINITELY EVOLVED FROM THE KERIS BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO ESTABLISH A TIMELINE FOR WHEN THIS HAPPENED.?

9th December 2011, 09:09 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A QUESTION OF TIMELINES AND EVOLUTION OF FORM A RECENT POST OF A MORO KRIS IN THE ETHINOGRAPHIC FORUM BROUGHT UP THIS QUESTION IT SHOWS HANDLES I MORE CLOSELY ASSOCIATE WITH MALAY OR INDONESIAN FORMS. IS THERE ANY STUDY DONE ON THE CRONOLOGICAL EVEOLUTION OF THE VARIOUS FORMS OF KERIS HANDLES IN DIFFERENT AREAS.? IF SO WHICH FORMS ARE THE OLDEST. THE MOST COMMON FORM I HAVE SEEN IS THE FORM IN THIS PICTURE. THERE SEEMS TO BE A CROSSOVER FORM OF THE JAWA DEMAM KERIS HANDLE FOUND ON SOME MORO KRIS. WAS THE EARLY MORO KRIS INFLUENCED BY KERIS HANDLE AND BLADE FORMS AND THE MORE USUAL MORO FORMS EVOLVED LATER? OR WERE THE EARLY KRIS MADE MORE LIKE THE MALAY AND INDONESIAN KERIS. I THINK THE MORO KRIS DEFINITELY EVOLVED FROM THE KERIS BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO ESTABLISH A TIMELINE FOR WHEN THIS HAPPENED.? Attached Images