Hi Yaniv 
 
The top katar is old probably 1820-50 or so the other is hard to tell it does not seem traditionally made to me more of a composite piece. As far as condition goes both are in pretty poor shape but the larger one should be able to be fixed up a bit. 
 
Good Luck 
 
Lew
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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