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VANDOO · 1st June 2009, 02:43 AM

UNFORTUNATELY ALL MY EXAMPLES ARE MOUNTED ON A LARGE FULL WALL DISPLAY SO I CAN'T GET THEM OUT AND TAKE PICTURES OF THE ONES I WOULD LIKE. I TRYED TO SEE IF THE FLASH WOULD WORK WITH THEM IN PLACE BUT HAD NO LUCK.
IF YOU SEE A POINT DESIGNED FOR DEEP PENETRATION WITH VERY FEW BARBS AT THE POINT THAT HAS A PIECE OF THE YELLOW ORCHID FIBER WRAPED AROUND IT , IT IS ONLY FOR WAR AND IS INTENDED TO KILL. IT PENETRATES DEEP AND THE PIECE OF FIBER STAYS DEEP IN THE WOUND AND FESTERS. THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF WAR POINTS THAT ARE MUCH LESS LIKELY TO KILL SOME MUCH MORE BARBED AND SPIKEY BUT WOULD SURE LAY YOU UP FOR QUITE A WHILE IF NO INFECTION WERE PRESENT. THERE ARE ALSO FISHING AND HUNTING ARROWS OF ALL SORTS. MANY HAVE CANE SHAFTS WITH WOOD POINTS THEY ARE MUCH EASIER TO MAKE THAN THE LONG HEAVY SOLID WOOD EXAMPLES SO PERHAPS THEY ARE USED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER AND AT LONGER RANGE.
IN NEW QUINEA IT WAS NOT TOO UNUSUAL FOR THE TRIBES FIGHTING TO BE RELATED OR HAVE TIES IN SOME WAY SO THE OBJECT WAS OFTEN TO SETTLE A DISPUTE NOT TO WIPE OUT THE OTHER TRIBE. IN SUCH CASES PERHAPS THEY USED SPEARS OR ARROWS THAT WERE DESIGNED MORE TO WOUND AND WEAKEN THAN TO KILL.

I HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE FILM OF SOME FIGHTING BETWEEN TWO GROUPS IN NEW GUINEA AND THEY DID SHOW WARRIORS STILL FIGHTING WITH SPEARS STUCK IN THEM AND DID COMMENT ON IT BUT THE FILM WAS TAKEN AT A SAFE DISTANCE SO SPEAR TIPS COULD NOT BE SEEN. A TALLY OF THOSE KILLED OR THAT DIED LATER WAS NOT GIVEN. BUT THE TIMES WHEN I HAVE TRAVELED TO THESE PLACES INFECTIONS FROM SMALL CUTS, SCRAPES OR BUG BITES HAD TO BE CAREFULLY SEEN TO AS EVEN WITH MODERN MEDICINE THEY CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS. WHILE A MAN MAY SURVIVE EVEN WITH PRIMATIVE OR NO CARE I WOULD IMAGINE OUT OF 100 MEN THOSE WHO DID NOT WOULD BE IN THE MAJORITY. THE NUMBERS LOST TO INFECTION IN AMERICAS CIVIL WAR WILL PROBABLY BEAR THAT OUT EVEN THOUGH WE HAD SURGERY AND MEDICINES.
AS I CAN'T GIVE A REFRENCE SO YOU CAN SEE THE FILM I SAW AND CAN'T GIVE THE TITLES OR AUTHORS OF THE BOOKS OR ARTICLES I HAVE READ OVER THE YEARS. JUST TAKE THIS AS WILD SPECULATION AND GUESSES AND ALL FICTION UNTIL SOMEONE WITH THE CREDENTIALS AND REFRENCES COMES ALONG TO PROPERLY ESTABLISH IT AS ALL FACTUAL OR NOT.

1st June 2009, 02:43 AM	#12
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	UNFORTUNATELY ALL MY EXAMPLES ARE MOUNTED ON A LARGE FULL WALL DISPLAY SO I CAN'T GET THEM OUT AND TAKE PICTURES OF THE ONES I WOULD LIKE. I TRYED TO SEE IF THE FLASH WOULD WORK WITH THEM IN PLACE BUT HAD NO LUCK. IF YOU SEE A POINT DESIGNED FOR DEEP PENETRATION WITH VERY FEW BARBS AT THE POINT THAT HAS A PIECE OF THE YELLOW ORCHID FIBER WRAPED AROUND IT , IT IS ONLY FOR WAR AND IS INTENDED TO KILL. IT PENETRATES DEEP AND THE PIECE OF FIBER STAYS DEEP IN THE WOUND AND FESTERS. THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF WAR POINTS THAT ARE MUCH LESS LIKELY TO KILL SOME MUCH MORE BARBED AND SPIKEY BUT WOULD SURE LAY YOU UP FOR QUITE A WHILE IF NO INFECTION WERE PRESENT. THERE ARE ALSO FISHING AND HUNTING ARROWS OF ALL SORTS. MANY HAVE CANE SHAFTS WITH WOOD POINTS THEY ARE MUCH EASIER TO MAKE THAN THE LONG HEAVY SOLID WOOD EXAMPLES SO PERHAPS THEY ARE USED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER AND AT LONGER RANGE. IN NEW QUINEA IT WAS NOT TOO UNUSUAL FOR THE TRIBES FIGHTING TO BE RELATED OR HAVE TIES IN SOME WAY SO THE OBJECT WAS OFTEN TO SETTLE A DISPUTE NOT TO WIPE OUT THE OTHER TRIBE. IN SUCH CASES PERHAPS THEY USED SPEARS OR ARROWS THAT WERE DESIGNED MORE TO WOUND AND WEAKEN THAN TO KILL. I HAVE ONLY SEEN ONE FILM OF SOME FIGHTING BETWEEN TWO GROUPS IN NEW GUINEA AND THEY DID SHOW WARRIORS STILL FIGHTING WITH SPEARS STUCK IN THEM AND DID COMMENT ON IT BUT THE FILM WAS TAKEN AT A SAFE DISTANCE SO SPEAR TIPS COULD NOT BE SEEN. A TALLY OF THOSE KILLED OR THAT DIED LATER WAS NOT GIVEN. BUT THE TIMES WHEN I HAVE TRAVELED TO THESE PLACES INFECTIONS FROM SMALL CUTS, SCRAPES OR BUG BITES HAD TO BE CAREFULLY SEEN TO AS EVEN WITH MODERN MEDICINE THEY CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS. WHILE A MAN MAY SURVIVE EVEN WITH PRIMATIVE OR NO CARE I WOULD IMAGINE OUT OF 100 MEN THOSE WHO DID NOT WOULD BE IN THE MAJORITY. THE NUMBERS LOST TO INFECTION IN AMERICAS CIVIL WAR WILL PROBABLY BEAR THAT OUT EVEN THOUGH WE HAD SURGERY AND MEDICINES. AS I CAN'T GIVE A REFRENCE SO YOU CAN SEE THE FILM I SAW AND CAN'T GIVE THE TITLES OR AUTHORS OF THE BOOKS OR ARTICLES I HAVE READ OVER THE YEARS. JUST TAKE THIS AS WILD SPECULATION AND GUESSES AND ALL FICTION UNTIL SOMEONE WITH THE CREDENTIALS AND REFRENCES COMES ALONG TO PROPERLY ESTABLISH IT AS ALL FACTUAL OR NOT.