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Jussi M. · 25th April 2009, 06:55 PM

David.

When I said about the WHY, What, WHEN, WHERE and HOW etc. I did mean it on a broad scope, not just regarding the keris on this thread or its dapur though I did mention that, yes. - I was implying it only as an example. I am sorry I was unable to make my point clear. My mistake. I understand completely what you mean - ruling out the language out would make it impossible to continue many of the fruitful discussions. Besides it is in the etymology that we many times find some proofs pro or against some insight to some of the Big Questions outlined above.

Some terminology is - of course - most welcome as it makes it easier to grasp certain things, such as the various parts, styles and components of the handle, sheath, blade and their decoration you mentioned. - These are well established and clearly define what is meant as there are - as you said - no other terms to be used.

It appears I am with you all the way. - So, what did I mean then? I meant that it is - in my opinion - very frustrating when a posting includes more vague terminology than it does clear language when that vague terminology could have been replaced with more well established substitutes and especially so if it appears that the vague terminology is used only to enhance the posters own standing in this virtual community.

I am not implying new rules have to be formulated nor am I stating any new course of action. Everybody does what they do and if I am the only one who raises this issue onto discussion maybe it is me that should change his ways of dealing with vague terminology and excessive name dropping. This is not my house. It is the house of the long standing members with accumulated information who have shared this information with others. I have not shared any information with anybody because I dont have any. Most of my 80 odd postings are more or less replies on the oohs and aahs on the common show and tell postings and a few funny pictures which I´ve included to bring some humor to this place.

I have - with high hopes - began a few serious threads that have more or less not moved anywhere as members have not wanted to participate on them. So I am merely an infrequent visitor who likes to every now and then sit in the porch looking inside to the big boys playing inside and hoping that they would share something of importance. It happens rarely and maybe it is because I am just a visitor sitting on the porch and not another established big boy. Then again I have a feeling that the big boys are holding back because they feel that the spectators are in it just for the show and tell? Maybe so maybe not.

Anyways... as said it is not my house and I am just happy to be accepted to sit on the porch every now and then. Thats all. It is also pretty darn difficult to draw the line on what is and what is or is not a well established term worthy of usage. Lets move on. All I kindly ask for is straightforward and easy language when possible. - After all this is an international forum and the language used here should reflect it.

The subject is hard enough to get a grasp of without complicating it unnecessarily with fancy wordings

Finally I apologize for the beginner of this thread. - I meant not to hi-jack it. Also please acknowledge that I do not imply that the beginner of this thread is faulty of using terminology on any unwelcome manner as discussed between me and David. If this theme is to be further discussed I hope it would be done so on a new thread began by the moderators if they see it fit and worthy of a wider discussion. For my part I´ve said about this theme everything I have to say.

Thanks,

J.

25th April 2009, 06:55 PM	#25
Jussi M. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 235	David. When I said about the WHY, What, WHEN, WHERE and HOW etc. I did mean it on a broad scope, not just regarding the keris on this thread or its dapur though I did mention that, yes. - I was implying it only as an example. I am sorry I was unable to make my point clear. My mistake. I understand completely what you mean - ruling out the language out would make it impossible to continue many of the fruitful discussions. Besides it is in the etymology that we many times find some proofs pro or against some insight to some of the Big Questions outlined above. Some terminology is - of course - most welcome as it makes it easier to grasp certain things, such as the various parts, styles and components of the handle, sheath, blade and their decoration you mentioned. - These are well established and clearly define what is meant as there are - as you said - no other terms to be used. It appears I am with you all the way. - So, what did I mean then? I meant that it is - in my opinion - very frustrating when a posting includes more vague terminology than it does clear language when that vague terminology could have been replaced with more well established substitutes and especially so if it appears that the vague terminology is used only to enhance the posters own standing in this virtual community. I am not implying new rules have to be formulated nor am I stating any new course of action. Everybody does what they do and if I am the only one who raises this issue onto discussion maybe it is me that should change his ways of dealing with vague terminology and excessive name dropping. This is not my house. It is the house of the long standing members with accumulated information who have shared this information with others. I have not shared any information with anybody because I dont have any. Most of my 80 odd postings are more or less replies on the oohs and aahs on the common show and tell postings and a few funny pictures which I´ve included to bring some humor to this place. I have - with high hopes - began a few serious threads that have more or less not moved anywhere as members have not wanted to participate on them. So I am merely an infrequent visitor who likes to every now and then sit in the porch looking inside to the big boys playing inside and hoping that they would share something of importance. It happens rarely and maybe it is because I am just a visitor sitting on the porch and not another established big boy. Then again I have a feeling that the big boys are holding back because they feel that the spectators are in it just for the show and tell? Maybe so maybe not. Anyways... as said it is not my house and I am just happy to be accepted to sit on the porch every now and then. Thats all. It is also pretty darn difficult to draw the line on what is and what is or is not a well established term worthy of usage. Lets move on. All I kindly ask for is straightforward and easy language when possible. - After all this is an international forum and the language used here should reflect it. The subject is hard enough to get a grasp of without complicating it unnecessarily with fancy wordings Finally I apologize for the beginner of this thread. - I meant not to hi-jack it. Also please acknowledge that I do not imply that the beginner of this thread is faulty of using terminology on any unwelcome manner as discussed between me and David. If this theme is to be further discussed I hope it would be done so on a new thread began by the moderators if they see it fit and worthy of a wider discussion. For my part I´ve said about this theme everything I have to say. Thanks, J. Last edited by Jussi M.; 25th April 2009 at 07:07 PM.