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ausjulius · 1st February 2009, 06:33 PM

if you fired a .303 in this you would be deader than a door nail in a second,
it is proably a .22 or a 38 caliber pistol round or maybe at the most a 9mm,
ive owned some of these in the past. some pistols with very long barrels , about 45cm or longer, useless junk they were 9mm guns with a sprung pin you pulled back and a simple trigger..

there barrels were made from 9mm seamless tubing,
it seems the mau mau had little or no skill making guns, and these things were sad... poor contraptions that showed no understand of how a firearms would be used or how it should work..

rely none had a practical range of more than 5 or 6 meters.. as they were firing from an unsized 9mm tube...a and they also were firing normal rounds and not a round ball .. so they just tumbled out ...
dangerous things,, and yes i fired some .. not holding them!, as im not insane..
i aquired a bundle of them from a gun collector who had relatives who had been in kenya in the 40s and 50s..

he told me these type of guns never accounted for much and that sabotage seemed to have been the made cause of trouble.. i can see a spear or a machete being more effective than these bits of junk..
but i guess the instinctive human fear of a gun no matter how poor is more effective than a machete or spear..

if you want to see good quality functional homemade guns that are effectivly used in combat the guns from new guinea and from boganville are some good exsamples..
many look like copies of harrington and richard single barrel shotguns, but on closer inspection they are made from pipes and hunks for steel and such,,

most are 12 gauge , ive seen some smaller 410's too, these are mostly strong enough to be used for hunting and such as well..

what is surprising is that there homemade guns are mostly made in the tribal areas of which most are still in a semi stoneage exsistance.. so these people many times are using wood and stone tools still in areas they cant get steel tools for

guns are cheap in PNG , so anyone living near a town can buy a shotgun for next to nothing and a ak47 or SLR for a fair price.. so there isnt any need to make them..

in west papua the bush guns mut make up half the guns the natives use to fignt the indonesian ocupation with.. same with in boganville..

1st February 2009, 06:33 PM	#12
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 476	if you fired a .303 in this you would be deader than a door nail in a second, it is proably a .22 or a 38 caliber pistol round or maybe at the most a 9mm, ive owned some of these in the past. some pistols with very long barrels , about 45cm or longer, useless junk they were 9mm guns with a sprung pin you pulled back and a simple trigger.. there barrels were made from 9mm seamless tubing, it seems the mau mau had little or no skill making guns, and these things were sad... poor contraptions that showed no understand of how a firearms would be used or how it should work.. rely none had a practical range of more than 5 or 6 meters.. as they were firing from an unsized 9mm tube...a and they also were firing normal rounds and not a round ball .. so they just tumbled out ... dangerous things,, and yes i fired some .. not holding them!, as im not insane.. i aquired a bundle of them from a gun collector who had relatives who had been in kenya in the 40s and 50s.. he told me these type of guns never accounted for much and that sabotage seemed to have been the made cause of trouble.. i can see a spear or a machete being more effective than these bits of junk.. but i guess the instinctive human fear of a gun no matter how poor is more effective than a machete or spear.. if you want to see good quality functional homemade guns that are effectivly used in combat the guns from new guinea and from boganville are some good exsamples.. many look like copies of harrington and richard single barrel shotguns, but on closer inspection they are made from pipes and hunks for steel and such,, most are 12 gauge , ive seen some smaller 410's too, these are mostly strong enough to be used for hunting and such as well.. what is surprising is that there homemade guns are mostly made in the tribal areas of which most are still in a semi stoneage exsistance.. so these people many times are using wood and stone tools still in areas they cant get steel tools for guns are cheap in PNG , so anyone living near a town can buy a shotgun for next to nothing and a ak47 or SLR for a fair price.. so there isnt any need to make them.. in west papua the bush guns mut make up half the guns the natives use to fignt the indonesian ocupation with.. same with in boganville..