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					Originally Posted by Dom
					
				 you are very good Ward         
it's mentionned "made by Ali" .... as ... usual     
the digits in the square, after reflection don't seems to me as; 
- a date 
- a magic square 
 
in fact, I doubt about the autenticity of all those marks     
but, it's just "my" point of view, and I'm not an expert     
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Thanks Ward and Dom,
So to summarise what you have kindly figured out for me,
The Cartouche reads 
"amal Kalb Ali":  'work of Kalb ali'
but this may be a generic mark and not an indication of its true maker?
(as quality makers marks and names are often forged on swords)
And the Bedu is just a lucky square not a date or anything important?
We don't know exactly where its from but its probobly arabic/persian or perhaps Indian, not Turkish, and its had some reworking of the handle area done during its working life....
That about it?
Thanks
Gene
P.S 
DOM! how about putting a big picture of your Khud in my 'avatars' thread, I'd love to see it!