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					Originally Posted by ganjawulung
					
				 
				You are right, Newsteel, 
 
In Javanese villages, dhukun (practitioners) also use patrem, or even smaller than patrem (amulet-keris). It is more difficult to find good patrems than good kerises. And the specific accessories for patrem, are also rare. Old patrem's hilts, are seldom. And also the mendhak... 
			
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 Ganja,
I have this very small keris, 31 cm overall (like a keris sajen), that was supposed to be used at ceremonial rites in Banjarmasin. 
Do you know more about how, and for what, a dukun used the small keris?
Michael