Hi Lew, 
 
   I am really not very good at judging weapons from pictures, I prefer to have them in my hand, but let me try. 
 
         The hilt on the first one is interesting, fluted grips are seen before, but they are not common – is it silver? Do I guess correctly if I say there is a flower on top of the disc? 
 The blade looks nice, and I can see two eyelashes with three dots at each end, however there seem to be something more closer to the hilt, but I can’t see it clearly – what is it? 
 The blade must be broad, but not necessarily heavy, as the ‘T’ spine will help stiffen the blade. You don’t write anything about wootz, so I suppose it is not watered. I thinbk I see a ricasso, but I am not sure. I think the blade is Indian, and it could be older than the hilt, although I am not sure. 
 My guess would be Rajasthan, 18th to early 19th century. 
 
       The hilt of the second tulwar is not so easy to see, I think it may have a flower on top of the disc, but I am less certain than with the first one – does it have a flower? 
 Very nice blade with deep stamps, which must have been made while it was hot, as it would not be possible to make them so deep on a cold blade. Have you had the stamps translated? Does the blade have a ricasso? Also here I think the blade could be older than the hilt. 
 I am not sure from where it is, early 19th century. 
 
   Here is what I think, do you, or anyone else have better guesses?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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