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VVV · 4th November 2006, 11:54 AM

I disagree a bit on some things that Ben brings up even if I agree with his other statements.
First I don't think that the parang from Nieuwenhuis is that close in style (first picture attached).
Then I don't agree that f.i. searching the Leiden archives clearly proves that this sword is from Borneo? I have attached two pictures, the first collected on Borneo and the second in Jambi.
There was a lot of migration in this region. If we can agree on that this isn't a Dayak sword, but Malay, then it could either have been brought to Borneo when somebody from Sumatra moved to Borneo?
I assume that when people moved around between the islands they brought with them their weapons?
Or it could have been produced in Borneo by a blademaker who had moved from Sumatra to Borneo?
Does that make it a Borneo sword???
Is it the style or where it was produced that decides the origin?
Is a balisong made by a Filipino in LA, in a traditional Filipino style, an American knife?
The braiding I also think was made on Borneo. Depending on the scenarios it could have been made later or when produced.

Michael

PS Ben, I wanted to see the part of the blade closest to the tip.

4th November 2006, 11:54 AM	#12
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I disagree a bit on some things that Ben brings up even if I agree with his other statements. First I don't think that the parang from Nieuwenhuis is that close in style (first picture attached). Then I don't agree that f.i. searching the Leiden archives clearly proves that this sword is from Borneo? I have attached two pictures, the first collected on Borneo and the second in Jambi. There was a lot of migration in this region. If we can agree on that this isn't a Dayak sword, but Malay, then it could either have been brought to Borneo when somebody from Sumatra moved to Borneo? I assume that when people moved around between the islands they brought with them their weapons? Or it could have been produced in Borneo by a blademaker who had moved from Sumatra to Borneo? Does that make it a Borneo sword??? Is it the style or where it was produced that decides the origin? Is a balisong made by a Filipino in LA, in a traditional Filipino style, an American knife? The braiding I also think was made on Borneo. Depending on the scenarios it could have been made later or when produced. Michael PS Ben, I wanted to see the part of the blade closest to the tip. Attached Images Last edited by VVV; 5th November 2006 at 08:17 AM. Reason: Wrong order of the Borneo/Jambi examples, sorry...