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DhenTal · 3rd February 2005, 06:58 PM

I like the photos in this thread. Looks so cool almost the piece are a real new.
Some Scabbards looks like an old.. but actually is a new made too.
I can't understand.. how forumities suppose that the piece is a good made and old ?
The real old Sunggingan scabbards have a good painting. Look into Ensiklopedia Keris p:448 and Lampiran. That is a real old Sunggingan which made by a Expert Mranggi.

Ria Scabbards more Maduranese than Solonese. At Sumenep, the scabbard like this was sale with a cheap. It more used to tourist consumption. It have a coarse painting.
The Kriss called Pandawa Lok 5, looks like a panjak or common blacksmith. but it is an old piece. If I look clooser, the iron like a Sultan Agung period. The curve at wadidang and gonjo look not too appropriate.
Looks like the Ron Dha at gonjo was brokken, but not.. just not appropriate.

Mick posted better than Ria. The Sunggingan more smooth with an old pendok blewah, old mendak by parinjata and Untu Walang models. The mendaks made by Solonese style. The hilt is old too. It have a good carved (patra).... although it is a new sunggingan too for tourist consumption not too old than 1960, although the scabbard is an old. But.. all of Mick poste is Solonese style, from scabbard 'till the mendaks.
Btw..., The kriss inside, looks like a new kriss. Kriss with Ron Genduru pamor put into ladrang scabbard... and ngulit semongko or wos wutoh at gayaman scabard.
These is just my opinion, it can be wrong....

3rd February 2005, 06:58 PM	#4
DhenTal Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	Sunggingan ??? I like the photos in this thread. Looks so cool almost the piece are a real new. Some Scabbards looks like an old.. but actually is a new made too. I can't understand.. how forumities suppose that the piece is a good made and old ? The real old Sunggingan scabbards have a good painting. Look into Ensiklopedia Keris p:448 and Lampiran. That is a real old Sunggingan which made by a Expert Mranggi. Ria Scabbards more Maduranese than Solonese. At Sumenep, the scabbard like this was sale with a cheap. It more used to tourist consumption. It have a coarse painting. The Kriss called Pandawa Lok 5, looks like a panjak or common blacksmith. but it is an old piece. If I look clooser, the iron like a Sultan Agung period. The curve at wadidang and gonjo look not too appropriate. Looks like the Ron Dha at gonjo was brokken, but not.. just not appropriate. Mick posted better than Ria. The Sunggingan more smooth with an old pendok blewah, old mendak by parinjata and Untu Walang models. The mendaks made by Solonese style. The hilt is old too. It have a good carved (patra).... although it is a new sunggingan too for tourist consumption not too old than 1960, although the scabbard is an old. But.. all of Mick poste is Solonese style, from scabbard 'till the mendaks. Btw..., The kriss inside, looks like a new kriss. Kriss with Ron Genduru pamor put into ladrang scabbard... and ngulit semongko or wos wutoh at gayaman scabard. These is just my opinion, it can be wrong....