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			Thank you Alan, the woven bamboo surely helps.
 Perhaps it was I who misunderstood, what I saw from my source was pamor wos wutah/pedaringan Kebak which has several letter X along the blade and he called it pamor wos wutah/pedaringan kebak gedhagan and it also has this nginden effect. Probably what he meant by gedhagan was the letter X that can be seen as woven pattern.
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